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Is it true Racing 252 have been thrown out of the Hereward cup for
playing 2 players against Emap who hadnt played 2 league games.
Shame if true as had a good chance of winning.
Back of the Net
25-02-2008, 14:45
I've just heard offically that 252 have indeed been thrown out of the Hereward cup..
It seems they did indeed field at least 1 eligible player against EMAP.
This means EMAP move through to the 1/4 finals and face Deeping away - I think?
Now I'd like to clear any questions anyone has regards our club 1st hand in this matter so here's the facts behind what happened as we saw it:
EMAP - Me and Mick as Assistant Manager were told after our game with 252 that 1 or 2 players might not have played at least 2 league games for 252, now in this game we had fielded a centre back in goal because we couldn't sign a keeper (2 league game ruling).
Once we were questioned, by a couple of our players, after the game regards these 252 players we asked the league to investigate and left it to them, it seems they've found 252 did indeed field at least 1 player who had not yet played 2 league games for them and so they had no option but to remove them from the cup and re-instate EMAP FC - as per Westwood last season I believe?
Not how we would like to progress in the cup I suppose but we aint gonna turn it down either....
surely it should just be replayed with the team in the wrong footing the bill?
Would agree with you Jamie, Always like to win or lose games on the pitch but I think the same thing has happened to other teams and I believe you have to be consistent, especially hard on Tyler's boys who played most of the match with 10 men but as I've said before can't have one rule for one and another for others. P.S. didn't the same thing happen against Scarletts last season, might have been 252 again, not sure.I know it involved an illegible player.
i think you're right mick about the same thing last season. i think the rules should be changed for a replay. i know if you break the rules then you deserve to be thrown out but there should be certain levels of the rules as every incident is different.
as for the 2 league games rule that should be abolished totally as you can go 6 weeks and only play one game in the leagues current state so its hardly fair if you've had a player signed on nearly 2 months and he's then ineligible. i think at the beginning of this season we hadn't as a team even played 2 league games required before a cup game so it makes a bit of a mockery of that rule.
Agree completely with you Jamie, I believe that rule was to stop teams bringing in so called superstars just for cup games, well outdated now for all the reasons you've stated, but should have been changed at the start of the season not three quarters of the way through, to be consistent to all of the teams who have abided by the rule it's something for the committe and teams reps to raise for next season.
Its already been discussed at the committee and i'm pretty certain a rule change will be made.
Remember clubs are welcome to suggest rule changes to the committee through the formal channels. Just contact Richard Line with the details and it will be put before the committee for discussion and possible inclusion in any rule ammendements.
That's good news Rabbit (strange nom de plume) Wasn't criticising the committe it's up to teams to say if rules are outdated, unfortunately this wasn't done until the rule has been broken. Hopefully will be put right for next season. Agree with Jamie that there wil be some circumstances where rules are obviously and deliberately broken that will justify drastic action. Don't believe this was done on this occason at all but to be consistent as the rule and punishment stands the committee made their decision. Don't think any criticism of the committe would be fair or justifiable, not them but the rule that's wrong. As we've heard it will be put right for next season. Let's hope that we can all work together for the good of the Sunday Morning league and try to get it right,
. . . only kidding Swanny - hadn't seen your name for a week so was having withdrawal symptoms!
thrown out and i only got to play 15 minutes!
Gutted... who did we play that we shouldnt have?
every one we have in the team are regulars we didnt bring anyone in just for that game. i would totally agree with the ban if we did.
But i agree rules are rules however i'd like to see a different outcome to being thrown out the cup... were obviously not going to win the league but Tyler has worked hard along with Colin and Nipper i think to make a go of things this season i feel more gutted for these boys than anything else.
Back of the Net
25-02-2008, 20:32
Harbs, I believe it was one (maybe both) of the Westons...??
The rule says they have to have played at least 2 league games prior to any cup game and it's strictly enforced as per L Westwood last season so we all should know about it etc.. Thats why we played a centre back in goal against you lads..
Anyhow, 2 of our players questioned me after the game on whether these 2 players had played 2 league games for 252, I looked online that evening and it seemed they might be right as 252 had only played 2 or 3 league games since McCains folded and I think thats where Nipper signed em from??
Once I'd been asked by my players I had to ask the league and then we left it with them to investigate - we didn't name names and niether did they, they simply said yes 252 fielded at least 1 illegal player and that means they are removed from cup and we progress!!!!
Not ideal all round and I'm sure that ruling will be looked at close season but they have to be consistent I guess..
well as you say rules are rules. I guess it just means an extra game for you lads.
If you break the rules you get thrown out - simple! Everyone knows this and so no excuses!! Hard on Tyler as he is a mate but I suppose it is about learning the hard way when it comes to being a manager!!
Not sure you should change the rules, just stick to the current one! What happens if all the good players are unavailable and you play ringers and then get all your players back for the replay? Still the same result!!
Harbs - you say one more game, that is a little bitter. We have already dispatched Deeping on their turf this season and will endeavour to do the same again. We don't have the league to play for anymore, but will try our best to honour the fact that we are there in the cup as guests instead of 252.
shut it you, just because your gonna win a trophy this year :P
its not bitterness mate i agree you have to stick to the rules im only playing with you.
listen you break the rules you get punished !!!
I know all about that one, haha! Good game Saturday then?
very good game, i wanted to do the 90 but seems i got caught out thinking i was ready to come back. never had a groin problem before and its the most frustrating thing!
in general though the game its self was a good battle and lets be honest it could have worked out differently had the wood work not saved us on a few occasions.
JNE, what I'm saying is that at no time did 252 do anything dishonest, all the players names on the teamsheet were correct. To throw them out for what seems to be a genuine mistake seems harsh so I would look to change the rules to accomodate this. Perhaps a replay but the illegible player(s) still barred from that game would be a good idea for next season. Up to the majority of course and if they want to rule unchanged then so be it Of course as Mr Browett has already stated sometimes it may not be possible to get 2 games in before a cup competion starts, each situation needs to looked at.
When we introduced the Weston brothers to the team it was because they were in need of a new club and we were lucky enough to get them no way did we bring them in just for that game they joined to play for us for the season so on that basis it is gutting to be thrown out.
I agree change the rule but i also dont agree with bringing in a player for one game just to win.
Back of the Net
26-02-2008, 11:13
Of course 252 didn't bring the Westons in just to face EMAP, we'd be very flattered if you did hahaha!
But the bottom line is that we all knew the rules and it's not really that hard to work out who's played 2 league games and who hasn't and then select your team accordingly is it??? If you dont check your own team then the blame only lies with yourself I guess?
Looking back at the game it was obvious that Lee had to play the lads who were available, he didn't even have a sub. Unfortunately player(s) in that eleven didn't satisfy existing rules.(daft as they might be) We have to do everything possible next season to make it easier to run not only the leagues but also the teams.Seems a harsh lesson for Lee to learn but rest assured he's not the only one.
Racing 252
26-02-2008, 12:51
It was an honest mistake we were not trying to cheat as Mick said the lads were on the team sheet, also the ref wanted to postpone the match at halftime and if we were aware we had broken rules then we wouldnt of carried on so we could of replayed the match another time. End of the day rules were broken so we cant complain but the worst thing was we won the game with 10 men on a terrible pitch, I feel the reply would be a better rule as it was mistake and it obvious we were not trying to cheat and for teams knowingly breaking rules should be chucked out!!
mattsedd
26-02-2008, 16:17
think we're all in agreement here.
The league are not to blame, they're just being consistent with the president set. Last year westwood were thrown out, a few years ago ortonians, before that Netherton were thrown out too.
Agree with B.O.T.N....you have to read the rules and follow them. If emap read them and fielded an outfield player in goal because they knew they couldn't sign a keeper and play him, then rightly or wrongly, they were understrenght against a team that didn't bother to read the rules.
We had the same problem earlier in the year. We had 3 of our more senior players (pattens etc) who have [played for the clyub for years and years, but due to our lack of league games, and the fact that they had missed one of the two which we did play through injury...weren't able to play in the cup game.
We all in agreement so thats cool.
Who's playing who in the next round anyway/>?
that will be a good game raph, must fancy your chances in that one mate
Hopefully - they tend to draft in a lot of talent for their cup games though. We'll be fine though - we have a new masseuse from Poland called 'Annika' and she is working miracles.
wont take your mind off the game though will it raph?
just make sure you dont sign any new players mate of the cup will go to the only team able to field 11 players from the start of the season.
and if the westons hadnt played that game it would have been 11 vs 8.
would it be worth it hey.
you should have said though Sean i would have played in goal and put BC in centre mid.
You wouldn't have gotten to have a 50/50 with me if you were in goal Harbs, you would've missed out!
oh yeah! good point then i may have played in the last 6 games and i wouldnt have had the joy of sitting in hospital for hours to be told you'll probably not play football again this season "heard that b4" only to go to a physio and be told you'll be back in a few weeks! grrrrrr.
Back of the Net
26-02-2008, 19:02
MattsEdd, here's the draw for the cup as per www.yellowjersey.co.uk (http://www.yellowjersey.co.uk)
09/03/08 (10:30) Deeping Athletic v EMAP FC
09/03/08 (10:30) Jubilee North End v Lord Burghley
09/03/08 (10:30) Limetree v Netherton Fc
09/03/08 (10:30) Powerleague Fc v Scarletts Fc
Obviously we'd have rather drawn Scarletts (there you go Richie..), Seriously though, Deeping away in the cup is always gonna be a tough one as I'm sure their stars will fancy a tilt at this cup?
JNE v Burghley and Limetree v Netherton should be the ties of the round in my opinion
you wouldnt want us sean, we are giant killers mate!haha. beat fratelli last round and could win this tie as well
Ours should be a cracker!! Especially with LB up for some payback after we thumped them but still if we play like we did it will not matter!!
Sean, you got a decent tie, it just depends on who dethick can get out of bed! If he gets the deeping UCL lads then it could result in a big beating but hopefully not - U there on merit simple as, enjoy it and day out in deeping with a few beers is always a good option :dsc:
We are in pretty good form at the moment JNE, so hoefully whatever side Deeping put out we will be able to give them a good game. The option of a few beers after is a fine one, have some very good memories of a few beers in Deeping, eh Hemps, Atty, Crotty, Joe, Benno.
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