View Full Version : Right then... Prediction time lads!!
Back of the Net
13-02-2008, 10:14
Prem
Fratelli v Parkside Fc 3- 2 (tight game but Fratelli to nick it)
Lord Burghley v Powerleague Fc 5 – 1 (Burghley on a roll it seems and at home too good)
Racing 252 v Woodston Dynamos Seniors 7 – 3 (Racing got too much quality for Woodsotn)
Div 1
Deeping Athletic v Farcet United 11 – 1 (Deeping to turn it on)
Emap Fc v Limetree 3 – 2 (big game for us and it’ll be tough!)
Premier Decorators Fc v New Shoes 2 – 2 (tight fought draw)
Protelo Fc v Royal Mail Ayl 2 – 6 (Mail just too strong for Protelo)
Fratelli 3 -1
Burghley 4- 0
Racing 3-1
deeping 7-0
Limetree 3-1
prem decs 2-0
Royal mail 5-0.
Limetree vs Emap has to be game of the day
Back of the Net
13-02-2008, 14:03
Come on Richie lets be having your predictions mate??
JNE gone quite?
Moe I can't see a clean sheet for you Sunday at all but I agree with ours being one of the 'Games of the Day'!
we shall see Mr Sean we shall see.... I have faith.
not sure about the prem teams so will do div 1 predictions
deeping 6 farcet 1
emap 2 limetree 4
prem dec 2 new shoes 1
protello 0 mail 7
who does moe play for? cant be bothered to go throgh the other posts!
Back of the Net
13-02-2008, 21:00
Moe is Micky Owens - part time player for Royal Mail, part time ref and part time Scarlet Pimpernel....
Nice to see you have us down for a 4-2 loss Richie, you coming down to watch again? I recall you watched Limetree trounch us at Fulbridge Rd, hopefully we'll give a better account of ourselves this time...
Fratelli v Parkside Fc 3- 2 (tight game but Fratelli to nick it)
Lord Burghley v Powerleague Fc 5 – 1 (Burghley on a roll it seems and at home too good)
Racing 252 v Woodston Dynamos Seniors 7 – 3 (Racing got too much quality for Woodsotn)
Div 1
Deeping Athletic v Farcet United 5 – 1
Emap Fc v Limetree 1 – 0
Premier Decorators Fc v New Shoes 2 – 2
Protelo Fc v Royal Mail Ayl 1 – 4
Don't usually do predictions for Sundays so this will be my only one.
EMAP F.C. 2 - 1 Limetree (Raph to score 2, one for each team)
Cheers mate, what a gent.
You know I don't mean it Mensa Man:clap2:
Nothing like a bit of encouragement from your management team eh? !!
eddie c s
15-02-2008, 00:08
well what i cant believe is that netherton , team of no refs all season are without a game once more . 6 league games plays . still in 3 cups and no fixture. what a joke.
Speak to Sean/Back Of The Net and he may be able to sort you a ref if you need one?
Ask Swanny, he's always willing to help Netherton anyway he can.:whs:
Back of the Net
15-02-2008, 09:27
Eddie... I do know a ref or 2 that may help at late notice so please message me if you're ever stuck yeah...
In Nethertons case this weekend, they have not had a fixture scheduled for this Sunday for some time from what I can see, it's been a 'free' weekend for ages in your league fixtures yeah??
If that's the case then it's not really the leagues fault is it? they can't really start re-arranging things as other teams in your league will already be playing and if they're not, then they will have know they weren't for some time which means that most will have made other plans (family etc) so it's near impossible to start asking them would they play Netherton at late notice etc..
Mate, if you were really concerned about this then you maybe should have been asking someone weeks/months ago to arrange something for you and get a game sorted?
What happened with your cup game on the 2nd Feb then? I notice it wasn't played!!
Just to clear this up, we had no game in the fixture list as sean said but was offered a game by the league. Unfortunately it was at home and our reserves and various junior/youth games were on so we could not accomodate it!
Won the game on the 3rd Feb 3-1 sean - we did play!
Back of the Net
15-02-2008, 11:36
Cheers hairy.... I just realised you boys have played 8 cup games so far -
Thats obviously gonna have an impact on how many league games you play I guess??
Makes it 14 games in total for Netherton so far? thats about what everyone else is on I think!
Suppose Eddie was just having one of those moments where its - "we aint played enough league games and it must be someone elses fault other than mine/ours" hahahaha...
Scouse Mouse
15-02-2008, 12:16
Tight game for us against Lime Tree. I reckon the odd goal in three will swing it for EMAP and get us back on track for a top two finish.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Mail men will start losing a couple of games between now and the end of the season which should open things up at the top and make for an exciting run in.
"I have a sneaking suspicion that the Mail men will start losing a couple of games between now and the end of the season which should open things up at the top and make for an exciting run in."
I have a sneaking suspicion mean odds are everyone loses a couple and if the gods smile on you and you all start praying in earnest
Royal mail,Limetree and Scarletts all drop out the league you might win it..............*mock*:ner:
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!
Raph, I agree with you it is the lowest form of wit.
good though init.
Indeed. You playing on Sunday?
eddie c s
15-02-2008, 13:36
well hairy ur a mug 4 not acceptin it . as if we can afford to pick and choose when we play our games . could always hire a pitch if no room (never known a time when thats happened) . cant wait till april where ur moanin about playin sat sun tues wed thurs sat sun .
Back of the Net
15-02-2008, 13:57
Bad day Eddie?
Scouse Mouse
15-02-2008, 14:02
Oi Moe, I watched Royal Mail struggle against an unimpressive Prem Dec and I think could easily drop points bearing in mind they have to play Deeping twice, EMAP, Limetree, Scarletts and New Shoes. All of these teams are in form and have the fitness and players to cause the Mailmen a lot of problems from what I have seen of them. I really do think there are a few results in the pipeline that could throw the top 2 positions wide open.
In my opinion, I can see Royal Mail losing to Limetree and possibly Deeping either home or away. When they beat Limetree at the start of the season Limetree were nowhere near the team they are now, and Deeping can beat anyone in this division on their day. New Shoes are more than capable of taking a point off them and the Mailmen also have a backlog of games which could catch up with them towards the end of the season. They have 10 games to play between now and April and I bet they do not take 30 points from them.
Eddie, don't talk s**t on here when you only know half a story! Will explain when i c u!
Yes Raph short of player as well, so do not expect it to be a good display.
Scouse I too agree we probably wont win every game between now and the end of the season and a couple of the teams I am well aware can beat us, but at the same time we are good enough to hold our own as we have proved already this season. As for prem decs your right we did struggle against the wind in the first half but in the second half we hammered them and should have scored more than we did. I have never said we will win every game but neither will anyone else and a back log of games is not a bad thing as most of our players are postmen early evening kick offs suit us better than most.
another win for you mail lads then mr owens. shame about emap though haha
What was the final score of the emap game then and any of the others if anyone knows them?
emap lost 3-1 mate. dont know any of the others
Well we lost today 3 - 1 Scoreline flatters limetree big difference was that they took their chances better than we did which obviously is what its all about. Anyone who really knows me will know that complaining about refs is not my game but I find hypocrisy hard to take and I'm afraid our local "Evening Telegraph Star Journalist" famous for his candid outspoken forthright views bottled it today. I said nothing during the game because I've always told my players never ever encourage a ref to use his cards to an opposing player but unless the rules have changed I saw one player who commited three red card offences within seconds get a yellow, admittedly his shirt was pulled but he then swung an arm in retailation(red card ?)
that was followed by a few words being exchanged so he decided to spit at the player (red card) not quite satisfield by that repulsive action he then put his head in the players face(not what I can a headbutt but definately agressive once again red card?) According to the ref no contact was made, didn't think you had to, he also said he didn't see the spitting which I found hard to believe as he was a lot closer than a lot of other people who did see it. Still he did manage to book both the players, sorry but all that pious preaching he does in our local rag means sod all when he hasn't got the bottle to carry out his duties. Let me also add quite strongly these actions were not conducive to the general attitude and sportsmanship of Limetree F.C. who for most of the game were absolutely spot on.Had that been one of my players I certainly would not be able to defend his actions and would have expected him to have been sent off. Thanks lads for the game and the best of luck for the rest of the season. I'm told that what happened is out of character for the lad, I do hope so and I hope he realises he's a lucky lad.
No don't delete it I think it deserves saying twice Mick.....
I cannot believe you are talking about Mr Swann in this manner, a truly outstanding local journalist and impartial official in our local game and I told him as much this morning, maybe thats what put him off his game, all that praise I heaped upon him......
Swanny actually put a couple of decisions my way for a change this Sunday - although if he did see the incidents of which Mick B spoke about, then it should have been red. Sometimes it is too easy to not give a decision and avoid courting controversy, than to give the decision.
However, we lacked killer instinct in front of goal and didn't take our chances to win . . . and we should've won really.
Back of the Net
18-02-2008, 11:44
I have to say I was gutted with our result yesterday but Limetree took their chances well and we missed a hatfull... one of the Gibbs brothers running their line didn't help matters either, he flagged a goal offside that was a good 2 yards on and then missed an offside that was 15 yards off (we scored but Swanny spotted it and rightly ruled it out).
Then we have their lad Shane lashing out at one of our boys following a foul, everyone on the park spots it but Swanny is unsighted so he gets away with it, it all made for a tense game with a few choice words exchanged by both sides - Handshakes all round at the final whistle though and we as a club wished Limetree well for the league title race between them and Royal Mail.
I got wind of some words exchanged between Mick (our Asst Manager) and Swanny after the game, Mick didn't swear or raise his voice but simply pointed out a few decisions he felt were wrong - I understand Swanny is not happy about this and is making a fuss out of it...
I 100% back Mick Belson in this and his views are shared by our club, we appreciate Swanny reffing the game but we're allowed to disagree with some of his decisions - I'm sure he's able to take it considering the pastings he dishes out in the press week in week out?
I will mention something said to me by Swanny after the game which should highlight why Mick Belson feels hard done by:
Swanny: If Tom had of gone down following their keepers challenge it was a Pen
Me: oh right so it was a foul?
Swanny: It looked like it but Tom didn't go down so play went on.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but if it's a pen then it's a pen regardless if our man falls over or not???
Swanny mentioned this within earshot of all our lads which didn't help really..
Looking at the league table and remembering what your man Scouse said earlier on this thread I do not think you guys are out of the title race just yet although it will take some doing to mount a charge you can still influence the final standings at least.
On the penalty claim I was just wondering as I did not see the incident is it possible that Mr Swann played the advantage?
Back of the Net
18-02-2008, 14:46
yeah it's gonna be tough now but as you say Micky, we should still have a say in things!!
As for Swanny playing advantage, I dont know, perhaps but our lad rode a challenge (we thought a foul) and then was forced wide and scuffed a shot whilst of balance, now if the 1st challenge is a foul then it's a pen seeing as he was forced wide off balance - IE: we got no advantage....
Thats how we saw it anyhow, I'm sure it could be seen that Alan was unsure if it was a foul or not and seeing as our lad carried on that made him think it wasn't??
We're not bitter about it, we felt Limetree took their chances well and we just had an off day in front of goal, we more than matched them in open play and had the chances, so no real complaints - just a few question marks on a few decisions but thats always the way when you lose I guess. We've never insinuated Swanny cheated and we as a club would never do so.
You could be right Moe, although we didn't have an advantage because we missed, that's our fault. I must offer my apologies for being inaccurate with my post about the alleged red card offences. There was no spitting, the young lad in question emptied his nose but according to three of our players it was at Steve not at the ground, so sorry for that but in my opinion if that is correct it is still a red card and the swinging arm came before that and that is also a red card, the head towards the face was the last part of the incident and as I have already stated there was no contact, just over aggression, perhaps both players eventually were guilty of this but I have no doubt that although Steve committed the first foul both the following acts in my opinion deserved a red card and even the third as I have seen red cards for similar. If I've given the impression that Alan Swann is a really bad referee then I am genuinely sorry, What he (in my opinion) did wrong I have seen lots of times. He (in my opinion) got it wrong this time. In my opinion he shied away from making the correct decision, in my own words bottled it. In the first half he as Sean says spotted an offside goal even though the lino didn't (at first) but even from where I was standing Alan had got it right. The second disallowed goal for offside was called by the lino and to be fair Alan had to go along with that. The reason I was so unhappy with the red card incident was not that it would changed the result, I honestly felt the way things went we would have lost against ten men, but I really think that sort of behaviour should not be part of our game and should be severely dealt with, maybe then the young lad would learn how wrong it is. In that respect, in my opinion I think you failed Alan. I know you have strong views Alan and are not slow in publicising them in your column (which I do read) I also have my views and see this forum as a method of airing them, I believe after many, many years in local football in all levels both as player and in management that I have some knowledge of the game. When comments are made on here they’re only opinions that are there for debate, I really don't expect everyone to agree with them as I'm sure Alan doesn't in his column. Believe me I am not ungrateful for his efforts to get the game played and I understand the importance and difficult job refs do but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do and on this instance which I certainly did not and felt strongly enough to air my opinion, This is unusual for me and I certainly wouldn't air every disagreement here, I just wouldn't have the time (that was a joke.) I hope this makes it clear that this is certainly not a witch-hunt and just my opinion, I'm sure there will lots of people who disagree with me and that are their prerogative.
I am sure Emap would never accuse any ref of cheating and lets be honest it is a very hard thankless task and for a club to say such a thing would be wrong.
If Swanny had a bad game, knowing you and Mr B all chat afterwards would have been very diplomatic.
i know i always try and wind you emap lads up with some of the comments i make but in all honesty you definately deserved something from the game and 1 of you disallowed goals was easily onside.
Number 90
18-02-2008, 18:47
Well wot do you expect from Limetree players when two get red cards and the referee dont send them in. The message is then do wot u like and you can get away with it. Hope Alf Polwin is happy with his performance the previous week
Shame Swanny had not got more bottle
I beleive both the red cards from the previous week were indeed sent in. As I previously stated this was an isolated incident in what was otherwise a good game. I have said all I want to this subject and as far as I am concerned finished with it. At no point on that Sunday would I say I was angry, just disappointed at at no time during the game was I abusive to any of the Limetree players, staff or indeed the referee, nor did I at anytime during the game encourage the ref to use red or yellow cards.All done now.
Back of the Net
18-02-2008, 19:47
lads, i gotta say that Swanny reffed the game well for the most part - for me it was just 2 big decisions we question and it could well be that he didn't see them the same way we did, 1st one Shane for LT lashed out after we'd fouled him with a shirt pull (no question) he also cleared his nose toward our player - funny when you read it but pretty disgusting if you're on the receiving end and then squared up to our lad, but both our player and theirs get yellows, I along with others saw it as a red to their man for lashing out with an elbow, but swanny says he missed that so what can we do other than have a quite moan hahahaha, not a personal dig but we dont have to be happy about it or agree with it do we :soo:!
the 2nd I've mentioned already about the Pen decision, but thats football, the ref says he saw it differently so the Limetree boys in my opinion got away with it again..
Then as Richie said on here already we scored another goal perfectly onside but one of the Gibbs lads simply raises his flag and dissallows it, but thats not swannys fault he has to go with the LT lad thats cheated us...
For the majority I wish the LT lads well as we always seem to get on with them. I've no idea what happened the week before and Limetree/Alf Polwin etc but it's nothing to do with us or our game so I'll leave that situation for others to talk about.
Scouse Mouse
18-02-2008, 23:45
I personally rate Swanny and he is one of the few refs round here that will let the game flow and try and play the advantage as often as possible. I seem to remember some prem players saying a couple of weeks ago that they wanted him in charge of their game so he must be half decent!
Some of the best games we have played have had Swanny reffing the match. Every game I have played in that he refs I cannot have any complaint about his performance, so sods law means that I miss this weeks game to family commitments and we lose!
He will always listen to you as a player and be impartial, but as has been covered already, some of the best refs don't get it right all the time. He is on a hiding to nothing as he is high profile and puts himself in a position where nothing but the best will result in a complaint. It sounds like there were a few misdemeanours in a game with a lot at stake for both teams. Having played against Limetree for EMAP on numerous occasions they are something of a derby match and I would not fancy reffing them as they are pretty fast paced (for Sunday football). Saying that, after all is said and done there are somethings that if are seen should be punished, but put your hands up if you see everything that happens in a game of footy.
Scouse Mouse
18-02-2008, 23:49
By the way, Alf Polwin is spot on as well!
I do not think anyone is saying or implying Swanny is a bad referee because he is not, in all honesty he is one of the best around here, but it does not mean that you cannot air your grievences when feeling a little hard done by.
I have had Swanny many times as a referee and he has only ever had 1 bad game and I have left him in no doubt what I thought about it.
The important thing is Swanny is there on a Sunday morning doing us all a favour.
As I said I have recently had a run in with Swanny and am not happy about the game that he refereed for us, but it does not mean I respect him any less he is a quality referee as is Alf.
Apart from that if you wanna see a s*** ref you wanna see me in action.
Especially without ya specs Mickey!
Back of the Net
19-02-2008, 13:25
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/wos/World-of-Sport-with-Alan.3789407.jp
Swanny has a dig back...... bit of a joke really mentioning Mick Belson (our Asst Manager) in the same bracket as someone that called him a cheating **** the week before... All Mick did was wait till after the game and then in private and face to face tell Swanny he thought he'd bottled a decision - not on really comparing that (the right way to do it) with the example of calling him a cheating **** is it???
Have a look on their site - a certain Nik Titman is trying to stir it up a little too, wasn't he supposed to be leaving the PSMFL well alone and going abroad to sort their football out??
He does have a point about some of the oiks in local football and I don't condone anyone calling him a c*nt either . . . I also appreciate that he stayed later to ref the game and cleaned some muck off the field.
HOWEVER, I think it is a bit harsh to criticise Mick for putting his comments over after the game. Mr Belson is always the first to put discipline and respect for officials and opponents, high on the agenda. A major consituent of this raison d'etre is to not display your opinion on the pitch of play during the 90 mins of the game, but voice it post-match man-to-man and without the associated anger and passion that may come with the adrenalin and testosterone of a game. It must be a good way of going about things, as my disciplinary record has benefited from this approach since November.
Would Alan rather that Mick shout at him during the game? If this is the FA's preferred method, then maybe they should re-assess the definition of the word 'dissent' in their handbook.
PS - you should be ashamed of yourself Moe!
Absolutely spot on Raph, I'm sure Alan and I will shake hands when we next meet. Such words of widom from one so young, very refreshing and I like to think that I contributed to your new outlook and attitude. Ahh it makes it all worthwhile and no Sean we don't need a room.
jingle bells
19-02-2008, 15:19
I believe Swanny is upset... His usual bull in "World of Sport" is aimed at these comments above.....
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/wos/World-of-Sport-with-Alan.3789407.jp
I am ashamed Raph, The wording that I used was disgusting and out of order and I do apologise to swanny for it and as I know he haunts these pages sometimes I am sure he will read it and if I do see him I will do so face to face I have no problem with that but it does not change my opinion of what happened during the game he is talking about, although it indeed finished 8-1 Swanny does not give the whole story in his column which is as usual it is full of half truths and self serving twaddle.
eddie c s
19-02-2008, 19:07
well why dont u tell us the other half then . cause from where i stood u lost 8-1 and only pulled one back through a random hopefull corner ... and apart from the goal , although i arrived 5 mins late where i got told abas made a good save dont think u had a shot . must of been a cheat lol .
I wouldn't expect a netherton player to say anything else, you do not want the league to stop letting you play with 12 players now would you.
As I said you were a superior side and we would have lost anyway but it would have been closer if the ref showed a little less bias when it came to blowing the whistle.
As for Netherton I do wish them luck for the rest of the cup.
Moe - simply mate - Shut up!! Getting beat 8-1 and still blaming the ref - What a P***K!!
Swanny is a top ref and him giving up his time is as do many other refs is greatly appreciated by me and many others!! We would be lost without them, Yes they do get things wrong and yes you do have a bit on banter with them but calling them cheats, bottlers etc... is quite simply not on.
With the rules changing next year as per the new FA guidleines and swearing is an auto red no matter what, there is going to be a lot of people like you paying out heavy fines and watching!! How about praising officials some time/
Mick fair play - decent rant but as i know you and know that you do not do it very often then you must have been wound up and feeling unfairly treated! Least you will have a beer with him next time although bet swanny does not buy!! ha ha
Moe didn't call him a bottler - it was someone else.
That is one incident anyhow and refs can do good and bad things - the same way as a striker can hit the goal or hit it wide. As a rule of thumb Alan is a good referee and I hope that he continues to referee in our league; as we know the shortage that we have and he is one of the better referees.
Hopefully all of this will be brushed aside and we can move on with another week now. I think that the whole situation has had enough coverage on here and also on the ET website, so it is now closed. If anyone believes that it should be re-opened, then you can PM me.
I wish Alan Swann all of the best for the rest of the season and hope that we can have a joke about this when I see him next - the beauty of football is that topics like this come up - people debate - people discuss and we are lucky that we have a public medium to do it with.
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