View Full Version : club lino and free kicks?
carefree
05-02-2008, 16:08
after noting that parson drove's lino ruled out an oundle late goal and awarding a free kick which the ref went with!! well what would this do to the league if every club lino were given the same powers? it's bad enough when they give a dodgey off side but let them give foul's aswell??? as im not anything to do with a pdfl team anymore i would say that it sounds like a touch of cheating to me.
:nono:
i think that a club lino should be allowed only to give off sides, foul throw's and which team wins the throw in.
some ref's want a club lino to give foul's and other say they don't!!
i think that ref's should not allow a club lino to give any foul's at all and should be instructed not to allow a club lino to give any free kick.s
a guide line for ref's from the pdfl should apply
Totaly Agree, being a player of lesser talent i found that sub was my prefered position so spent quite some time running the line, always prefered it when the ref said that he would give all free kicks, with the best will in the world a club linesman will always be slightly biased.
True. I'd like to think that I would give a fair and pretty damn good decision if I were running the line . . . but some of the fen-ite yokels that are give the flag in the Peterborough Leagues are a disgrace - so it is better to make it a universal rule, whereby the linesmen are given powers only over foul-throw, ball out of play and of course; offside.
Number 90
05-02-2008, 18:07
Fen-ite yokels does Raph mean you Al after all you were linesman at PSL werent you
i never ask club assistants to give fouls, i dont even ask them to give foul throws. Simply ball in and out of play and offsides
was a bad day all round for regolph hitler let his littleman syndrome get the better of him as for the disalowed goal reg was 5 yards from it and the lino was 40 yards away make up your own minds on it being a goal or not its not sour grapes it would have been a injustice if the goal stood we didnt deserve it i guess these things happen in football i agree club linos should't give fouls just offsides and nearly offsides (there was a few of those aswell but its not sour grapes honest!) its the first time ive known of a team having 2 players sent off and finishing a game with 11 men! :nono:
Number 90
05-02-2008, 20:11
Brads Cant believe you come on here bleeting when you cant get a result against nine men
Wot with you and the Moulton lot arent there any good losers in local soccer any more
Wota load of old women
Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4
05-02-2008, 21:31
Not surprised to see reg was the ref involved in the game. He has and will always be one of the most inconsistent refs i have ever known. One week he is really good lets the game flow well and makes the game entertaining then other weeks has his mad moment and does something silly like let a linesman make his descion for him. But hey i wouldnt envy going against the Parson Drove lino in circimstances like that. Prob have no wheels left on me car after the game and find the locals waiting with pitch forks!!:clap:
Langtoft_United
06-02-2008, 09:46
after noting that parson drove's lino ruled out an oundle late goal and awarding a free kick which the ref went with!! well what would this do to the league if every club lino were given the same powers? it's bad enough when they give a dodgey off side but let them give foul's aswell??? as im not anything to do with a pdfl team anymore i would say that it sounds like a touch of cheating to me.
:nono:
i think that a club lino should be allowed only to give off sides, foul throw's and which team wins the throw in.
some ref's want a club lino to give foul's and other say they don't!!
i think that ref's should not allow a club lino to give any foul's at all and should be instructed not to allow a club lino to give any free kick.s
a guide line for ref's from the pdfl should apply
Funny that Parsons Drove Lino had an awful game against us a few weeks back, flag up more often then the ball had been played.
carefree
06-02-2008, 09:51
lino at times yes one of many many jobs i had to do at PSL, from dog sh*t shoveller to manager. its nice to just be a manager now! i have never known Reg to give any lino such powers before, im shocked that it was him but hey ho it was a cup game and he cost us a final place through some really strange calls which was to ignore a flagging league offical lino!!! (if the face don't fit ha ha).
I would never call a fellow Blue a fen-ite yokel!
Slim Bratts
06-02-2008, 12:43
Good topic this. There are some generally fair linos out there and then there are complete cheats.
I would agree with Raph 'whereby the linesmen are given powers only over foul-throw, ball out of play and of course; offside' as some struggle with this. Only last weekend we had a goal dissallowed from a lino to quick to put his flag up for offside, when it was not, costing us a goal, when the ref was asked who was offside he just shrugged his shoulders, guess thats what we get being in the lower divisions.
Carefree - what a horrible picture, is that one of them blow up balloon trophies? Cant see them getting there hands on anything like that this season*brk*.
Having run the line for quite a few years both on Saturdays and on Sundays I disagree with some of what is being said. Quite a few refs have told me offside, ball in and out of play and anything that happens on my blindside. During a game on a Sunday morning with Reg reffing, Bretton North End scored a goal from a goal mouth scramble,, just before they scored a Nags player was pulled back and over, Reg was unsighted but I saw it and flagged. To be fair the Bretton lads knew what had happened and hardly complained at all. If a lino is going to cheat then he will cheat, it is up to the ref. to overule him. If he is only allowed to give offsides it won't stop him from cheating. I was always amazed at the fantastic eyesight some of the opposition players and management had, how they could tell offside from the other end of the pitch was remarkable, even some of the oppositon keepers seemed to have a better view than a lino. In all the years I did the job I probally got more stick from my own team than the opposition.In these days where we struggle to find refs I'm afraid club lino's are here to stay.I have had refs overule me and wave play on and also blow for offside when I haven't flagged, lino's are there to assist the ref, when it comes down to it it's the ref that makes the final decision.How would these teams react if a forward punches the ball in the ref misses it but the lino didn't but he can't do a thing cos he 's not allowed to flag.I really don't think that the majority of club lino's are cheats, I have seen some that have but they are a minority.
Well said. Shame you don't use such wisdom when shouting at me from the sideline!
carefree
06-02-2008, 16:35
totally disagree with you mick. no CLUB lino should disallow a goal. so you gave what you saw in a nags head game and it was up held? i ve seen you run the lino many times and although i would never say that you have ever cheated but you have in the past made plenty of mistakes and got things wrong more then once yeah?
parson drove lino is a totally different thing as i will state that i have been on much more then just a few dodgey calls from him this season alone.
each game should be fair, so why should 5% of ref's say give free kicks and 95% say leave all to me??? as is the case. getting back to my 1st posting each game should be the same for each and every team. in my view no CLUB lino should give any free kicks full stop and defo nothing which would see a disallowed goal except an off side by an active player !
this gedney yokel was born in chelsea hospital and went to school in hammersmith before moving to pboro then to the fens.
I am from North Ken/West Acton . . . one man went to mow, MOW! Went to mow a meadow!
Number 90
06-02-2008, 17:39
Al sure I have seen one or two dodgy decisions from you over the years for certin
Hey it is going to happen and one of the flaws of local soccer but at the end best team wins league so we have to get on with it bad luck in cup games though
Mind you Ounlde could not beat nine men so hardly deserved to go through
F'kin better not cheat us this weekend! Set Raph on him!
as for the goal not being allowed the lino got told by ref before game to flag for freekicks and done so as the drove keeper was fouled and if oundle was honest with themselves they would admit this, a lot of sour grapes going on giving parson drove a bad name.
as for langtoft report it was the reserves who u played and was a different lino.
we should all know that the keeper gets more protection than any otheir player on the pitch.
Sure I've made mistakes, most people do, even professionals but like most lino's not deliberately. at least half of my mistakes favoured the opposition ask Gary Hooke or Danny Thomas or even Joe Bailey.I would still like to think that "Club Lino's" call it as they see it and if they make mistakes it just goes to show that they are human. I have seen some really questionable "club lino's" but in a lot of cases the ref soon realises and deals with it.In almost 95% of complaints against club lino's it's for thm flagging for offside so this won't change.P.S. Al it's all a matter of opinion who gets it wrong as I said before it's amazing what fantastic eyesight some players and club officials have at times, very often though it seems to be selective, they seem to be able to tell an offside from the wrong end of the pitch but an blatant foul by one of their own players six feet away miraculously turns into a dive by the opposition. To be honest I stopped running the line (a) because I thought I was too old (b) I got fed up being moaned at by my own team but in my three seasons at Perkins and 8 at the Nags I can honestly say that the number of lino's that I considered as cheats was minimal.
Interesting topic this one...you have to remember that if it wasnt for these ' club lino's ' matches wouldnt go ahead, nobody's perfect ( except me :) ) and mistakes will always happen, unfortunately these mistakes can have a costly effect on titles/cups being won, but hey thats part n parcel of football!!
I do however have to agree with al that the club lino should only award throw ins n offside's, corners. Fouls etc should be left to the ref, n if the ref decides he wants the lino to call the fouls as well he should make that clear to both teams when he has his pre-match chat to them. 95% of club lino's are honest ( well one's that i have come across are ) but you are always going to get that odd 5% that will occcasionally have to strech their arm up in the air.
Give em a break chaps every1 makes mistakes, they only human.......
red card
07-02-2008, 10:13
i think youve got short memory al my friend, im sure you were the one on the line waving ya flag like a lunny for a hand ball... oh did i forget to mention you didnt wave untill the ball hit the back of the net! even your boys were baffled!
ive lost count of the amount of times ive been booked or sent off for calling club linesmen a cheat. i had a thread on here last year removed because i slagged oundle linesman off. i suppose its put up and shut up!
Woodview07
07-02-2008, 11:54
Rowey, you must be joking with your view on the incident on saturday...
The linesmans flag went up as soon as the ball hit the net and not a moment before, he knew that parsons drove didnt have a chance with the game heading for extra time with 9 players...
At the end of the day all linos do it, i guess it was just our turn to be on the end of it....
I think that most people have now aired their opinion on this subject . . . let's see what controversy comes from the next weekend of games! Thread closed.
booooooo, it was just getting juicy!
Further to popular demand and request from No. 90 - the ref/lino debate is reopened! Fill ya boots.
red card
08-02-2008, 09:38
i run a team in the junior alliance and and alot of the refs are young lads, most of them very keen and competent refs, whats your thoughts about using these up and coming refs to run the line in the prem. personaly i dont think they would get slated because they are young lads, sure they will make mistakes but they wont cheat! whats ya thoughts?
im sure ive read that suggestion before. Young lads may get intimidated by you 'big boys' and because of that give up the whistle completely which is not what you want to happen. Difficult one
Still good experience though - worth a thought? I think that the linos in the Prem don't get as much stick and with the support of the ref, should be okay maybe?
they may be seen as an easy target though. The ref will indeed support them, but the clubs also need to.
...plus they won't be doing it for free. Shelling out £40-50 quid for officials at an away game and the same for a home game on a pitch, with a kit wash a week thrown in, would kill most teams i suspect.
red card
08-02-2008, 11:57
clubs used to manage before, did they not?, put ya match fees up, still one of the cheapest hobbies to participate in, if ya dont count beer money after. haha. out of interest how much you city boys pay subs a game?
I'm not sure what the exact reasons were for abandoning the official linesmen in the prem. I imagine the shortage of qualified officials played a part, and i'm equally as sure it was the expense.
£65 on officials for an away game, on a revenue even now of, say, £5 subs, a kitwash and a few incidentals like deepheat and oils etc.. and it's not long before someone has to start dipping in to their pocket.
carefree
08-02-2008, 13:37
brendan you are correct about that hand ball :whs:, instuctions from ref as all have given me in the past is to flag for a blind handball and make them aware, then they will decide what to give but only outside the area and not in it , which i gave and he went with. wasn't the score 2 nil leverington when that happen lol, im getting old and can't remember.
number 90 dodgey lino calls for offsides happen all the time and every striker barr none will think a lino is a cheat at some stage of every game (right bren), but this topic is about giving foul resulting in a disallowed goal in the penalty box un seen by the ref.
at a guess are you an ex striker numba 90 yeah? :)
just adding i did try and get this off about the youngsters doing the line i even contacted the junior alliance about it, but everyone was dead against it, i still think its a good idea. subs at psl are £4.
i think people are against it due to what i said above. They are scared of losing the few refs they have
BLUE BOYS
08-02-2008, 14:03
we at whittlesey also pay 4 plus 1 for the training on a thursday night,is still a cheap game at the moment compared to other activities.
Tommy Trophy
08-02-2008, 16:42
At PNS the players are paid £3000 a game and get 1 free dance with Antania Prestsstyehovakia from the Ukraine at Angels on a Wednesday between 5pm and 6pm. We sponsor her and she turns out in our club colours once a month as part of the deal.
Speaking as an ex-Ref in the Peterborough League 80% of games and club linos are spot on and every game is a pleasure to be involved in.
Of the other 20%, half are rubbish and the other half show a reluctance to act in an understandably neutral fashion!
All the way up to the Premier, I know of a retired official who just asked his assistants for offsides and throws, but most enlightened guys will appreciate all the help they can get for what can be a difficult job.
You are never going to get everything right and need to judge each game and decison from a club lino on its merits. There is no definitive correct answer to this question, and like the game of football itself is wonderfully inperfect!
I can only say that there are 22 people for the ref to keep an eye on during a game not including managers, lino's and subs let alone supporters.
So when he makes a mistake he can almost guarentee half will not be happy.
A lino is there to make the refs life a little easier and help a bit, personally I have had some outright cheating little oils do the line.
So what do you do.
Again personally if I think he is cheating I will do my best to make up my own mind about an incident and go from there, saying that I have had couple that are excellent and have no qualms about going with their decision if I ever have them again.
So the simple fact of the matter is the ref cannot see everything as much as they would like to, so if you want a ref to do his job properly stop your own lino's making mistakes ( cheating) and the argument should therefore go away. I believe there is a managers association why not all go along and decide what you want, every lino to be honest and have a real game or all try and out cheat each other.
i have asked a team to change their linesman before. On a number of occasions id heard a team moan about him cheating so decided to keep an eye on him, so i could make my own mind up and it was obvious he was cheating. I then asked for him to be changed. Didnt go down particularly well, they reported me to the league, but nothing ever came of it. Although i did win referee of the year that year
I would wholly support a ref if he wanted a lino changed. He is in control of the game and therefore has the authority over his assistants.
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