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carefree
08-10-2007, 21:26
another player left today, tapped up by yet another under performing UCL team.
at this rate i'll be lucky to still have a 5-a-side team this xmas
i now have a 1st team of 12 players with 3 of them suspended
Who has gone and who are the UCL side Al, always makes me wonder at this stage of the season what UCL managers do over the summer, a few games into the season and they are nicking players, I had the same last season and it's called not doing their job properly, what manager would stand in the way of a player going higher at the end of a season, but a few games into one is a totally different matter
Bit harsh saying under performing mate!! If you mean us that is!! Just finding our feet and not doing to bad . You know as well as most managers there will be people moving about at this time of year!!
5 a side team might have something to do with the other half being suspended :soo:
Al, you will come through it and as I know we have said before when talking, respect and loyalty goes a long way but unfortunately not all that common in todays game. As I said, if there at xmas then you will win it!!
carefree
09-10-2007, 09:08
thanks foggy you just answered a few things for me. now i know that the whole of PNS and players knew that Quinney was coming there, instead i have to be lied to by sneaking managers.
DO THE RIGHT THING? thats a laugh
i really hope that it fails at PNS, LIGHTS AND PROMOTION
Tommy Trophy
09-10-2007, 09:25
Al once again you are completely wrong - I work with Foggy as you know and told him this morning about Quinney as it is now out in the open.
Have a 200% clear conscience on this and could not now care less (pardon the pun) on what anyone else thinks - was probably naive when I told you I was going to approach him a month or so ago and gave you an opportunity to speak to him first which you did and kept him - end of story until he contacted me as I told you Saturday evening.
Spec, unfortunately I have been completely care less (oops) / useless and lost a number of midfielders(?) (Baines, Kilby, Speechley, Favell, Paling & Mcpartlin) since pre-season and Paddy has now gone back to Poland for a bit so had to strengthen in that area - have no intention of falling out with people over bloody football and find it sad that what I am trying to achieve is generating so much ill feeling, not just here but in other areas from people who I expect better off - but so be it. (By the way we have won 6/9 games this season - long may that sort of under achievement continue)
Had another player from a different club contact me this morning about coming - I must be getting really paranoid and told him to go and speak to his manager before talking to me!
Won't change my approach and will continue to do what's best for PNS and Peterborough in general and have no intention of apologising for that
al, as Tommy said only found out this morning, had no idea til then and surprised he wants to leave such a good club but thats the players decision
Tell you something though - it is some people attitudes towards PNS that make us even more determind to succeed!! Bit like ortonians !! :soo:
I know u are angry that a player is leaving your club and totally agree with spec about leaving early and staying on only a handful of games. But as I said before - no loyalty!!
You do not mean what you said and You are a top bloke Al who looks at the wider picture of a club trying to progress and understands all that is going on. :nwy:
carefree
09-10-2007, 09:37
the thing is spec you have a UCL manager who thinks he is still managing a pboro prem team. and like Yaxley its the only place they know where to get players from.
well i hope it all fails for both clubs as im sure it will.
most pre season signings for both came from our humble league
in PNS case prem and div 1 pboro players.
think you will find that players will come and leave PNS all season long like they currently are doing now.
i even got told that Atty got asked to play for their stiffs with £20 expenses paid to him for each match.
well what with the PFA being skint i can see them moving on, so maybe securing the ground should be 1st on the list. hope we get PNS in the county cup. should they get thro to the next round that is.
carefree
09-10-2007, 09:48
Won't change my approach and will continue to do what's best for PNS and Peterborough in general and have no intention of apologising for that[/quote]
kiss my :mnn:
Ooo dear
09-10-2007, 10:31
I can still do about five minutes at that level if needed !!!!! :dog:
Remember you can't please all the people all the time.
I'm amazed at Pat G, Tommy, is is really doing it for you ? He was very average at Oundle last year, although a nice enough bloke.
Big bets are rolling in
Carefree - even money
Spec - 3/1
Tommy 10/1
JNE 5000/1
All bets welcome
Tommy Trophy
09-10-2007, 16:35
Yes Oooh Dear, Paddy surprised us as well, but has done really well for us including in goal - shame he has to go back to Poland for some reason that I did not fully understand and went today (tax or pregnant office worker or something)- agree he is a top bloke and will be missed at the club. Never thought he would get in the 1st team, but it has been a real nightmare in midfield for us and he has done a job for us - especially away at Raunds when he was MOM. Thanks for the offer of 5 minutes - that was all I needed Saturday at Whitworths from someone on the longest pitch I have ever seen - no wonder they went 18 months unbeaten on it.
Genuinely upset that Al has taken this so badly (think his anger is pointing in the wrong direction but he seems adamant) but it comes with the territory and I have had as much reason as anyone to be upset with players this year but you just get on with it and either accept it happens or beat yourself up and ended up jacking.
Big G I'm a bit lost on what the bets are rolling in for :soo: Anyway back to the heated debate why have you lost so many players Tommy, I was very surprised by your honesty at the start of the season by telling several players that they would not be regular starters and were free to wander off and get a game elsewhere if that's what they wanted.
I wouldn't have told anybody anything of the sort and made them fight there way into the side, the UCL is a massive difference to the P'boro Prem and you need a good squad of at least 20 players, fcuk them if they don't get a game, I had 18 players in my squad last year and 3 or 4 of them fell out with me over it, I didn't lose any sleep over it at all, I would have loved to have played them all but I couldn't simple as that.
On a more controversial note though I certainly don't think young Quinney is the answer in that league and where has Favell gone? Baines scoring 8 goals in a mickey mouse league I could go on and on.
Players are ruling the roost as I predicted last year and the only loser out of it all is the poor managers who put in god knows how much time and effort and get shafted and then fall out with each other. I have seen it all coming to a head over the past 2 seasons and the funniest thing about it all is only one team can win the fcuking league!!
Chris Judge
09-10-2007, 19:39
Spec
Never a true word mate and it only reminds me of why I was so happy to quit being involved in local soccer but I have to say it was not always as bad and used to be very enjoyable a few years back
Managers should never fall out over players leaving. You are unhappy at the time but hey that's soccer and it aint going to change
Tommy Trophy
09-10-2007, 20:09
Have to agree with you completely Spec - as you know I was not always the nicest person when running Ortonians and with the benefit of hindsight and a few more grey hairs, I decided that whilst the banter between us was great at times, I also stepped over the mark once or twice and promised to adopt a more reasoned approach to the UCL.
This also meant that I wanted to try and be as honest as I could and yep that meant the likes of Gavin, Phil & Teddy particularly going back to Moulton (Phil would be getting in the side now) and with some others letting me down it has been hard work.
Having to replace a whole bloody side, it was obvious that I was going to upset managers as I had to cast my net far and wide - Perkins & Alconbury were the biggest sufferers and I have another Peterborough League player joining us once he has spoken to his manager and that is not going to go down very well. As you have noticed Ash Favell has confessed to finding it all a bit too much for him, so I now need 2 forwards as we were 1 short anyway - would prefer to get them from higher, but the players I would like to sign are not ready to jump ship just yet and despite reports to the contrary I don't have a pot of gold - I would rather spend my money on the lights etc and get that side sorted, though the team also has to perform.
Still enjoying it though despite our little blip (lose 2 on the trot and you are in the middle of a fully blown crisis!) and we will get there.
carefree
09-10-2007, 21:59
im one week away from getting bellamy back and your timing is **** , im struggling already with missing players and then you swipe Quinney away at £50 per week or game??.
a report will go into county. i would have expected at least a call from you or a PNS offical or even Quinney and got nothing but a text sent by scott to pat late last night. so yes that does make you another sneaking UCL manager.
bottom line is you are still a pboro prem manager in the UCL, who only seems interested to continue robbing the pboro league prem of their players. so if you do manage to get promoted (doubtful) then you will be a poor UCL prem side (i hope) doing it for pboro? (what a cr4p quote). but let me guess another £20,000 to throw at players next season with limited success AGAIN could be in order. I hear Bainsey had a nice holiday with you £500 bung, good on you Bainesy
hope it all goes wrong for you. And all can see what a fool PNS are making of you and your money. they took the p1ss out of Roger and he did the right thing in quitting.
Focus has no future thats for sure. the PFA shold have sold it to the Rugby boys when they had the chance to.
p.s on the plus side Anthony Thomas is staying at PSL for the time being and a report will go in about Yaxley also.
Tommy Trophy
10-10-2007, 06:31
My conscious is clear so do what you want Al
I am not going to get involved in a slanging match simply because I am not involved anymore and if anything all of this makes my decision to walk away the correct one.
As I said on my previous post this has been coming for a while now and I don't forget the start of last season when I lost 6 quality players in one week because of illegal approaches and tapping up of my players who were already signed on for me or had given me their word they were re-signing.
I look back now and laugh about it because those players once they have taken their football kit off at 4.45 go back to reality and are fcuk all, fcuk all as a man and fcuk all in their mundane lives, it's only between that hour and a half when somebody tells them they are special that they live in a silly dream world.
Still bitter? you fcuking bet I am but he who laughs last laughs longest...
Seb Hayes here. Al you done the exact same this season when signing Ian Bradbury who was registered at Yaxley FC without even talking to myself or anyone else at the club. Brads told me it was just to help you out for midweek games but then dropped out on a saturday a couple of hours before a big match to play for you against Crowland. This left us with only one recognised forward, again no phone call.
we ended up with a point but could of been three had he played,he has since apologised and is back with me at the reserves playing well.
The point i am trying to make is every MANAGER,PLAYER and CLUB!! does what they like when they like regardless of the rules.
We only seem to complain when we get the rough end of the stick and this will never change whatever we may say or think.
I never did, not once, always did things by the book and even last season when I lost those 6 players, after our first game which we won, I had 4 top players from the prem ring me after being sub for their respective teams for the first game of the season asking me if they could come and join Fletton - AFTER BEING SUB FOR JUST ONE GAME!!
I didn't sign any of them, even though at the time I had 14 players
carefree
10-10-2007, 12:28
hey fcuk you seb, brads signed for me pre-season helped out for 3 games which i thank him for. where is he now?? urrr Yaxley. so are you calling him dis loyal? he went back to you mid week and played on the saturday, brads was decent enough to call me and say that he wanted to try out to get back in the yaxley 1st team, respect to him for that. he got fcuked about by clipo and you and felt ucl reserves was below him at that time. hardly the same for quinney and anthony who where settled psl players. lets add to this shall we, how many other psl players did you try tap up and take? also after your promises to jimmy how many did you poach from him?
why don't you ucl bozo's use ucl chatter? simple you don't know anything better then the pboro league.
i ve been loyal to psl for 7 seasons you don't know the meaning of the word.
bluestar
10-10-2007, 13:53
Watching this debate with interest, havent commented before because, through choice, in 30 years of running and managing clubs and teams I have never managed a team in the Premier league, but Seb, you talk a load of **** - how on earth can you possibly state that EVERY manager, player and club does what they like when they like regardless of the rules - what a pillock...... :stpd:
Get a few more years under your belt before you make such sweeping statements sunshine - you do a lot of fantastic people involved in local football a grave disservice with such catch all statements :sad:
No need for abuse people as this is a site where people air there views and seb has done just that!!
Al, Understand your anger and bitterness towards UCL and when you get there (as I know you want to) I hope you can be a honest as you are being now.
Bluestar - agree people in game do great but some do not!! Unfortunately
BUT, the real issue is the player and this seems to be missed in this. There loyalty (or lack of it) should be the main stay not the manager of whichever club they are joining. Why do they leave, as spec said because they get 90 minutes being called "special" maybe? Me, I believe it because they can and show no respect/loyalty to there existing club!! People will leave clubs all through the season and go and play higher or lower - look at thackham and Brett playing at Gedney for £25 - that is funny and not hear you moan then Al??
:sad:
Shame really this is all happening and fair play to anthony for staying - Good player and nice lad. Let concentrate on the players and not the manager, after all we all make our own decisions!! We should all be able to have a drink no matter!! Spec mines a becks!! :beer:
Ooo dear
10-10-2007, 15:17
Football management is like a packet of revels, you never know what sort you are gonna get. Some play by the rules to the T, other's less so, we all know that. What is becoming evident here, though, is that, generally speaking, managers from the same league have the respect of eachother, whilst those from different leagues do not (or there is a higher likelihood/incidence of a fallout shall we say).
This has arisen due to the obvious 'poaching of players' issue. I am of the school that it is the players who make their own mind up who they play for. Be it for progression, financial, mates, etc. reasons, it is their underlying decision. The problem appears to arise when managers of the UCL have an obvious advantage as they have a bigger rod in which to coax player's with, as they tend to have a purse in which they can delve into.
As for poaching, what is the definition ? A text, an informal chat, a chance meeting in the pub ? Sorry, but I don't blame the managers, I blame the players for not being able to stand up for themselves. It is they, after all, who make the ultimate decision and should be able to decide between what is right and what is wrong from the relationship they have with the respective manager. Of course, managers should also apply some manners and respect to their fellow comrades when "jovially" testing the water on a player's availablity or keeness to move.
ps. my phone never rings, sob.
bluestar
10-10-2007, 15:29
JNE - think you have completely missed my point - Seb used the word every - if that isnt abusing the majority of the guys involved in local football then I dont know what is!!! - Seb came on the site an aired an opinion and I have done the same - nuff said.....
Fair dues bluestar!! :nwy:
Managers should have morals and stick to them, it used to happen and it went by the way in the last 2 years, that is a fact.
When a manager had a problem with a player that player wasn't able to shaft the manager by moving to a rival club, why ? because the manager of the rival club wouldn't let him even though they were rivals that manager still had a loyalty to his fellow manager and that is simply how players were stopped from ruling the roost.
Myself and Gino could tell you of the deals we used to have between ourselves, proper men with proper morals who wouldn't speak to anyone for a week if we lost a game of football, but I will tell you one thing not one of us ever went back on a deal we had where a player had given us a problem or tried to bull**** a situation to make me or him fall out with each other, we had them sussed out everytime and we stuck together to make sure the manager never lost face.
Coincidence or not that neither of us manage in The Prem anymore :soo:
Have been reading this topic with interest and see both the players and the managers views. From a players view, you always want to play higher ( if you are good enough ) in anthony thomas's case he is, in quinneys case he's not good enough, but if you get given the chance ( especially if some reddies are thrown in your face ) your more liable to take that chance. But as a player if you have any respect for your current club or manager, you should have the decentcey to speak with them first instead of fcuking off.
If you are the manager, usually you have your squad before the start of the season, yes you may make one or 2 additional signings to strengthen your side, but if you plan on taking players from a team during the season at least go about it the right way, with a phone call or letter to the club secretary, not be sly n go striaght to the player n make him an offer n kiss his :mnn: so he cant refuse!!
I wanted a player from eye, so before i went to the player i spoke with gino about it n done it all above board. Seb will probably come on after reading this and say ' hang on jimmy you went after 2 of my players ' and yes i did, but one asked a mate to give me a message to phone him for a chat and the other said to me if i ever get stuck n he aint got a game for seb he would play to help me out ( well i needed that help in a pre-season friendly ) none of my approaches were during the season!!
Its hard for a manager to say NO if a good player comes upto him and says ' I've had enough at where i am, can i come play for you ' but before that manager says yes, at least tell the player to let his current manager know he wants to move on, and the manager of the club he wants to go to, does the same with a phone call saying so n so wants to come to me thought i let you know.
It's all about respect gentleman, some have it n some dont!
it was better when the player had to go to representatives of both clubs to get a good old transfer form signed. that way people had to have the boll*cks to speak to their current manager and everyone knew where they stood. all this 7 day approach business makes it so easy to tap up players and people can bottle out of facing people about it.
Nobody has a problem with someone wanting to play higher but less than 10 games into a season before jumping ship, where's the loyalty in that and to be honest what's the point in that as well.
I wouldn't say young Quinney isn't good enough, I don't think he is strong enough yet, big difference
i think one of the main problems we have is there is nothing stopping players signing for both ucl and p,boro leagues. If a player had to cancel his registration with a p,boro league club to go to the ucl or vice versa im not so sure they would move on so quickly! This problem will never go away until something is implemented by the respected f.a's to protect the clubs. PNS are a touch guilty of using there new found financial power to attract players to the extenet where we have had a player leave us to play for there reserves and be promised money, but apart from having common decency to speak to the clubs they've not broken any rules.
carefree
10-10-2007, 19:40
look at thackham and Brett playing at Gedney for £25 - that is funny and not hear you moan then Al??
errm think you've lost it foggy!. i didn't moan? think you best ask Lee Britton about that.
i blow my top big time go back and check last seasons postings.
anyway said what i wanted to say now thats the end of it.
agree with you Alex transfers should apply to all clubs no matter what league they play in.
lastly Quinney came to psl last season and i wasn't that keen on him at 1st (right Flynny?), well he proved me wrong and played a major part in our league and cup success. HE IS WELL GOOD ENOUGH FOR UCL DIV 1 AND PNS and alot better then some i could mention already there. i think i made it clear that i wasn't happy about him leaving and how it was done, but he has now gone, so all i ve got to say to him is this. thankyou for last season and good luck (but next time give me a bit more notice)
I’ve said that for years and Spec is right. Managers should have the respect (where know) to contact other Mangers/Mates and be honest about their intents. Far too much sneaking around going on. A "seven-day" approach means nothing, have the balls to pick up the phone and show some respect.
can i transfer clubs? :bub:
if you dont reply in 3 days i will take that as a yes :lol:
at least i asked
Yes mate you can, i hear your always talking to Perkins players.
Please Gino, dont let harbs leave an inflict his shocking touch on us or anyone else for that matter!!!Think he's found his standard where he is now!!
As a mate of mine and told him this too,not sure why Quinnola has left PSL for PNS coz I cant see him getting in and prob just end up playing for the stiffs.
As soon as PSL have there suspension through and are still in touch after xmas they stand a good chance of challenging or at least having a say in the league and from what Ive seen Quinnola would play a significant role.Bad move on his part but give it a go,only way to find out.
Is it surely not better to be gettin 90 mins Prem footy than bit parts at a higher level???? :soo:
Is it surely not better to be gettin 90 mins Prem footy than bit parts at a higher level???? :soo:
we only play at amateur level mainly for enjoyment so surely that counts for all local levels? a bit sad if people think different.
tom flynn
11-10-2007, 18:25
I believe Scott will become a better player as he gets older.Scott is only 20 years of age dont forget.He was exceptional whilst playing for Sports last season.I certainly believe that Scott can do a good job at PNS if played in the correct position and also given the chance.I for one hope he does really well wherever he plys his trade.As Al said when he first came to Sports last season he played right back and had a mare.Al looked at me and must have thought "what the f**k have we here but Scott settled down into midfield once Brett and Luke left and never let us down.And was an important player that helped us to success.
king.arthur
11-10-2007, 18:38
It seem to me that Peterborough League managers forget to put seven days in for ucl players. PNS have never received a seven days off any Peterborough league side. as for scott when he sign for sports last year he was already a PNS player did we received seven days NO .______ :sad:
As for the said manager he was touting for the huntingdon job not that long a go how many sports players would still be there if he got the job not many i think and for the Peterborough league managers People who live in glass houses comes to mind :bby:
just had the weekly call off barry regarding the weekends game and he informed me that PNS have done the same with gary gibbs this week too!
carefree
12-10-2007, 14:54
yes i was chasing the Huntingdon job 'BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED' and just to let you know Darren got it long before i asked Hunts chairman about the job. so i had missed the boat by a long way.
so if i took anyone it would have been pre season not during it. :stpd:
7 days isn't needed so i keep getting told, but that isn't the point! as has been CLEARLY stated on here a number of times already. remind me did psl take scott without him giving any notice to pns? urmm no, think you got that wrong he told them of his intensions and moved on. did you complain urmm no! (seems its only your word on it) was scott getting in the first team starting 11? urmm no again.
scott was in our starting 11 every week! we are struggling with numbers available to play due to suspensions. and he gets swiped by underhand dealings.
the point is quite clear: a text monday night to our coach 5 days before a game. no notice and totally underhand. and added to that i think you will find i'm not the only prem club p1ssed off with your sneaky approach to pboro league players. think you will find we will not be the only side to complain.
for a club spending £20,000 on players why do you need to rob the pboro league? if you want ucl success buy a few more ucl players. answer because thats all your manager knows!
how were you going to explain £500 signing on, plus £500 at xmas, plus £500 if you got promotion for just young Bainsey alone? as expenses? you can say this is only hear say, but most know it to be true.
get it right :stpd: :stpd: :stpd:
anyway county can deal with it now so let them decide if they think its wrong or right !
i'm doing it for PNS and pboro!! thats a laugh... doing what p1ssing all of the pboro leagues off?
king.arthur
12-10-2007, 16:15
REMEMBER When you were at stamford you took players from the
p/boro league did you or not :soo:
players ask to come to PNS we done Nothing know other club has done
to us so bring on NORTHAMPS see you there.
the reason half your team suspended is because of bad disclpine on the
pitch we seen it at your club for years :stpd: :stpd: :stpd: :stpd:
i remember you tapping up eye utd players in the past :sad:
so let it go stone thrower :str:
tankengine
12-10-2007, 17:14
well quinnys left for ucl div 1 footie but have u lot read tonights eveining telegraph page 40 gary clippo states anthony thomas has signed for yaxley and aparently is in th squad for tomorrows trip to st neots
Scott was registered and playing for perkins last year. Both al and flynny spoke to us to see if they could talk to him we agreed the player left no problem. I think the bone of contention here is that as a club pns are doing nothing to create a decent relationship with p,boro clubs. I think most of us are more than happy to see players move up the ladder but it seems every week someone is being linked with a move there. Players are going to be interested rightly or wrongly because of the possibility of financial gain but what happens when they find the grass isn't all that green on the other side!
ucl clibs are allowed as many players from feeder leagues as they want we dont have that luxury the other way. Over the next few weeks players will start to get unsettled by the amount of good quality players around pns and not want to drop down to the reserves but move back to the p,boro league.
Someone will suffer out of this and i dont think it will be pns !!!
Whistleblower
12-10-2007, 19:13
This topic started off as Are Leverington the dark horse but has spiralled into a Sad old man cant stop moaning
Not certain who Carefree is (think it must be Al Lanihan) but surely if a player wants to move to a higher club that is his decision. Obviously Scott Quinney wanted to give it a try as he made the decision perhaps it was also that he was fed up with crap facilities at Lincoln Road and poor discipline.
Is this all just a case of jealousy on Carefree's part and not having a particular fondness of Tom Cooper.
Not quite sure how the seven days thing works but have been told most managers speak to the player and see if he wants to come and then puts in the seven days. But the final word rests with the players ok there may be some money on offer but I believe Carefree shells out a few bob each week too
Alex had you looked a posible to take the job at PNS at one time and no doubt you would also have been be taking a few players from the Peterborough League too.
Surely it is time to move on Carefree - Scott has gone and time to stop crying and look to the future and possible second title
carefree
13-10-2007, 11:13
i aint got a problem with anyone moving on. so is it right to get very little notice or even none? every weekend i don't even know if i have a team due to all the local ucl sides thinking ' **** we are short this week i know lets rob psl , perkins,moulton,alconbury fletton and if that fails sneak a look at hampton'.
as i said county will decide right mr canty?? yeah your right about the Stamford thing which happened 10 years ago in my 1st year as a manager and i got punished and rightly so. whats your excuse????
i was ucl you we pboro prem i took 2 players and got punished for it by county! no different then what you seem to be doing weekly to pboro leagues sides now.
and thats a load of cr4p that i don't like tommy, i don't like what he is doing but that does not affect how i feel about him away from football you fool.
a bit different with seasoned managers or secretary's who know the rules!!!!
how does this stand when a player owes either his ucl club or pboro league club money? obviously you can stop any transfer going through for this reason but when you're allowed to sign for both teams the one you owe money to doesn't get the chance to say so. i'm sure you could report money owed to the fa but that'd take time and by them they'd have played a few games by the time the fa stepped in.
one thing i will say is that both players to go to PNS this week informed their current teams at the beginning of this week they were going so fair play to them for doing the right(ish) thing.
carefree
13-10-2007, 17:00
we lost today as i expected too. well at least i managed to get 11 players together. no show from anthony thomas who was spoken to at 12 midday today. he said see 'you at psl' and then didn't show.
think i still have a few lads that can play ucl left in our team. SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? :soo: come and get them!!!!.
He was sat on the bench for Yaxley!
OK, players will leave a club if they want to and even if it is after a few games but again other managers must surely take it upon themselves to tell the player involved to inform his ex-club that they will not be turning up for them, being led up the garden path until a few minutes before kick off is not the done thing. All it leads to is the continuing controversy we are now seeing and nobody is appearing to come out of this with any dignity, is this the way football is going :soo:
carefree
14-10-2007, 10:04
we have no chance or very little of winning anymore games now, i expect more players to leave in the next few weeks. its a real shame as we had high hopes of doing it all over again this season and had the players to do it.
it would have been best maybe to have let all the head hunted players leave pre season and i shouldn't have wasted my time and energy convincing them to stay.
this sad moaning old man has thrown the towel in and it would seem all the moaning in the world will never favour the teams at level 7 and below. even the FA couldn't give a rat's ar5e about grass roots football anymore.
Thanks for coming to watch us play yesterday Judgey, think you saw first hand what i'm now dealing with at the club and the mood there.
i ve always been able to find the best up and coming talented young players around, but keeping them when others start throwing money at them is impossible.
Very much the same story at Alconbury Al a 6-0 reverse yesterday is not good but evidence that a few of our leagues top teams are now starting to suffer as a result of these players going.
I read somewhere in amongst this also that 7days is a waste of time - 7days is showing your clubs respect to the departing club allowing them the chance to sure up any owed monies/issues. Whether its needed or not should not be an issue and i think that is the thing getting clubs backs up.
One of ours has just left for the ucl owing money and with no 7 days/no money is it any wonder then Peterborough sides are getting fed up?
whistleblower yes i would of looked to bring in what i know but would also of tried to get a settled side during the summer. We are now 8 weeks into the season add this to the 8 weeks pre season that PNS did and i find it a little strange that they still find the need to add to their squad. I dont think anyone has a problem with tommy despite what you think we are just trying to protect ourselves.
Al keep your chin up mate its a long season and no one has broke away at the top yet. Think Whittlesey will be the ones to keep in touching distance of this year look a lot stronger than the year they won it.
carefree
15-10-2007, 15:41
its a shame really Alex as we beat your lads first game off the season, i wish you had won it now. if you go on and finish the season 2nd losing out by 1 or 2 pts i'll be gutted. mid table is the best we can hope to do now.
i ve put in 7 days for a number of players (non from perkins) including a Yaxley reserve player. we are going out to enjoy it nows as a team of mates.
the rumours going round are that i'm leaving PSL.
i don't intend to do that until the club has a squad to chose from again, there are a number of reserve players that will make the step up to the 1st team also.
i intend to put the fun back into it again.
just to end on this. IF I WERE PAYING PLAYERS TO PLAY AT PSL WHY HAVE THEY LEFT????????????' :stpd:
FORGOT TO ADD I'M OFF NOW FOR 2 WEEKS SO IT'LL GIVE YOU LOT A BREAK FROM MY MOANING. wonder if it'll go quite on here until my return :soo:
SportsSec
27-10-2007, 17:47
Sports did Pat & Al proud -today 2.2 after 90 mins 2 goals from Dwayne!-won 5.3 on pens.
Down to 10 men with a good 20 mins to go. Even injured Rick Dent saved a penalty in the shoot out to put Sports through.
Some strange results today! - what happened to Moulton & Whittlesey - bad day at the office?
carefree
27-10-2007, 20:10
umm did i say we wouldn't win anymore games? the ranting off a mad man.
back wednesday ready for the challange again. :pty:
The lads played very well Al!! I got there bout 10 mins before the final whistle to find out from pat you had been reduced to 10 men, but every single player for PSL gave a 110% right through to the very end and got there DESERVED REWARD, Ricky dent hats off to you mate, the poor lad could hardly stand up yet made to good saves towards the end of extra time and then as sports sec said made a very important penalty save in the shoot out...NOT ALL THE SPIRIT has gone from the 1st team!!.
bluestar
09-11-2007, 11:20
Al, dont write the season off yet mate - spoke to Lee at training last night and it appears that three of our guys have recieved phonecalls, etc :blh:
suprise, surpirse these were followed by a 7 day notification - bit arse about face if you ask me but at least one arrived!!! -
Hope those pockets are as deep as they need to be to keep such a big squad happy :sad:
Are them 7 day approaches all from Higher Clubs?
No Foggy you thick c**t they are going to leave potential league winners to go and play for Real March :bst:
No Foggy you thick c**t they are going to leave potential league winners to go and play for Real March :bst:
sparky would've said they were a bigger club until about 2 weeks ago :lol:
bluestar
09-11-2007, 15:20
That should read "higher club" in the singular - hope the "higher" you refer to applies to league status - cos I don't believe it necessarily means better :mnn:
And sorry Foggy, think you missed my point mate - My belief is that the 7 day approach comes BEFORE any approach is made to the player - although I admit its probably nieve of us to expect that, given recent evidence
money ain't everything to some guys, as a few have no doubt begun tor realise........ :sad:
carefree
09-11-2007, 15:21
well if the arse about face 7 days are from a certain UCL div 1 side at least its a step in the right direction rather then just taking players with very little notice or none, any player has to be crazy to go there as it would seem most (on lower wages) don't stay long anyhow. one thing you can say about whittlesey lads bluestar is they are loyal to their township and club. resect for that
our season isn't over until it is impossible to win the league, we have a good chances still in both the pfa and county cups as will have our suspended players back, still need a centre mid so better put 7 days in for Ricky :lol: .
bluestar
09-11-2007, 15:34
Respect mate, nice one
Best of luck for the rest of the season Al, I know you will keep smiling whatever :nwy:
That is certainly what I meant Bluestar but wondered if some from other prem clubs - not that stupid is it spec :soo:
Agree the seven day approach should happen first but does not happen in todays game/world and feel sorry for clubs like yourself who build a good side and then have players whisked away at the lure of a little cash!!
I understand from speaking to a PNS representative that they have had no contact with any Whittlesea players in regards to a transfer to the club!! :soo:
As a point of my own!!
I have also been a critic so far this season of certain things at the club as have many others but I believe that we are now starting to try and repair the damage caused by us and before and that hopefully people/clubs may start to support a much needed p'boro side in the UCL?? Enough of my :blh:
Good luck to all at the weekend!!
You mean Tommy is threatening to make your life a misery at work if you keep slagging off the club so you have to be diplomatic - nothing new there anyway Henry Kissinger, and yes it was a stupid question :face:
Not at all mr Spec and I have my own opinions not tommy's boy wonder - that is bainsey!!
:stpd:
Bainesy has long gone and you have to fill the void Darren, accept it and move on :moped:
carefree
09-11-2007, 17:52
i didn't say it was PNS Darren, read my post again. notice the word 'IF' in the sentence
Number 90
09-11-2007, 19:07
Still on that boring subject of players being tapped up without 7days. Hey its been happening for years and I doubt any club at some time or another has not done it
That includes Whittlesey too Bluestar
Anyway how many trophies you win as manager Spec
Tommy Trophy
09-11-2007, 19:26
Have bitten my tongue long enough! (plus I have been convalescing after surgery to remove the knives from my back! :gun: )
Mick / Bluestar hope you are not referring to PNS? :soo:
We did put a 7-day in for Simon Acton - we don't have a left footed player at the club since Ricky went back to Whittlesey - did not have a problem with that as he was not enjoying the step up and fair play to Trevor Bass for calling me to let me know (only Peterborough League club to do so)
no-one from our club has spoken to Simon still actually, even though the 7-days is up - I don't have a number for him or Steve Burns from Fletton who we put in an approach for as insurance when we were not sure how long Darren Bradley was going to be out with a bad looking knee injury - I even got a message to both of these sides from Las Vegas that we were going to put in approaches before we did - if this gets thrown back in my face then I might as well act underhand for gods sake. Just a quick note on Seth Twigden who comes back into the 1st team squad tomorrow after 6 weeks out injured (very amusing , no sorry bemusing posts!)
Comedy Al :hug: - thank you for brightening my duller moments with your hilarious posts :lol: - its a wonder I can afford to go on holiday with some of the figures you have been throwing about (you eventually got 1 right though!) - keep hearing your name linked with Huntingdon?
PNS have 8 wins out of our 12 games and 8 clean sheets (not let a goal in for a month) - so will try to keep our under performing little side ticking along!
Would be nice for PSL to get pulled out against us in the Northants Cup as they have not drawn a big club yet this year - we have got a bloody nightmare trip to Woodford to get over first when their first team have not got a game and 2 out of my 6 centre halves are missing.
Not happy about having another free Saturday next week, but at least I can let my full management team loose on the Peterborough League programme to see who we can pick up next.
Good luck to you all and for what it is worth, I think Whittlesey will edge the league and Perkins the PFA Cup but apparently what do I know anymore. :soo:
bluestar
10-11-2007, 09:05
Tommy - yes I was referring to PNS and, if, after speaking to Lee and the lads concerned today, I have my facts wrong I have no problem with apologising unreservedely - however that doesnt change my view that the 7 day notification should be the FIRST action by a club official when a new player is being chased.
Number 90, get real buddy, all I was advocating was that the 1st approach to another teams player, by a rival club official should be via a 7 day approach - realise that players talk etc, just wanted to get a little sevility back amongst the managers -
Her's a thought to promt discussion though - what about getting a Peterborough Football Managers association up and running - no grand agenda or aims, simply as a way to put together some ground rules etc - As well as bringing in a code of conduct it would also give new managers, such as we have with the reserves at Whittlesey, the opportunity to tap into the knowledge of guys such as Tommy, Al, Spec, and perhaps the manners of guys like Trevor Bass! - and yes I know Spec isnt running a club at the moment - but wouldn't that make him an ideal candidate to be the 1st chairman of the association ?
Thoughts please gentlemen, more than happy to arrange an initial meeting to get it up and running........
Tommy Trophy
10-11-2007, 10:19
Mick that is a fantastic idea and I would much prefer to have a sensible adult dialogue with people than find myself subjected to abuse, lies and innuendo.
Thanks you for your apology in advance!!!
In the spirit of hands up honest time, with hindsight I wish we had sent Gary Gibbs back to Alconbury when he turned up at training wanting to sign and waited 7-days. Also Mr Brown in the summer I approached 2 players of yours from last season that I said I wouldn't when getting a bit carried away - that's all and I have been dissappointed by the bandwagon approach by some people who have assumed I am the bad guy without knowing the facts. I have said all I am going to on this now and have no intention of opening up a further debate on any particular player or situation and responding to any other comments.
Back to the "Bluestar Project" as managers we have a lot to say for ourselves, but generally have a bucket load of good ideas and this gathering could be something that could be used for the good of football in this area which I maintain is below where it should be for a city of our size and should encompass all levels of football.
Spec as chairman is also a good idea as this at leasts guarantees alcohol will be involved. As he said, Fletton were a good footballing side when he was in charge - better than Ortonians, and as I have discussed with him myself only 1 goal away from winning the league he deserved - they did not lose it, we won it with our stubborness!
Bluestar i think your idea is very good, you can see Spec wants to be invoved if he didnt he wouldnt give a **** and certainly wouldnt comment on here which would tone down the fun and ultimately thats why we all log on right?
With out these characters involved in some way shape or form things will only be moving in the wrong direction so i hope to see some people speaking to Bluestar about his idea.
Great idea, just looked at the pro-managers association site www.leaguemanagers.co.uk might find a few ideas on there Bluestar how it could be made to work.
I think it would be a great idea in principal Bluestar and I would certainly be prepared to meet up and discuss it, very flattered to be put forward as a nominee, my only reservations are a few out there who I doubt would know what morals mean but let's at least have a chat about it.
Number 90, come round anytime and see what I won as a manager and you can bring a few mates with you if you are frightened, people like yourself hold no fear for me, I deal with losers quite regularly according to you :lsr:
TommyC, thank you for sticking up for me with number 90 but I think we both know it was not just 1 goal, even though theoretically one goal from Moulton against you would have done it for us. Liked your tongue in cheek comment in the ET tonight about Peterborough League talent (it was tongue in cheek wasn't it Tommy :lol: )
Tommy Trophy
12-11-2007, 16:52
1 point or 1 goal either way Spec but overall I have fond memories of a fantastic tussle between us- yes absolutely tongue shoved as far up into the cheek as it can get tonight in the ET before World War 3 starts.
I shall actually be in Ireland racing with Richie and CJ at the week-end - not seen Robbo since Friday night - I understand he may still be drunk. I am a bit worried about Chris Plummer as well after Torch kept him out to 5am after the win Saturday and that really is the path to ruin!
Last thing I need is any extra players - shame about Jason Doggett, but we had a very amicable split - he had a bad knee injury at the start of the season and then a combination of not being able to train through work and the form of a revitalised Phil Anderson has limited his chances to a couple of substitute appearances - he is a fine player and Perkins have done well to get him. Didn't risk Seth in the end Saturday - he is still feeling his knee. Good win for us in a good game against a side I would have big money won't finish bottom of our league.
bluestar
19-11-2007, 14:43
Gents - any more thoughts on the Managers Association? I can arrange a venue - no problem, we can use our clubhouse or if the preference is to meet ouside of the " football club" we can use the function room at Childers Socail Club -as for most suitable time and date, open to suggestions, I know we wont be able to please all but my initial suggestion is that we get together either on a Monday or Tuesday - once agreed i will put out a general invite etc. - C'mon guys lets get this one moving....
Whittlesey club house is fine for me as long as Mr Bass is behind the bar, he doesn't go home until you have finished drinking :lol:
Monday or Tuesday night is fine also, although make sure there are no good games on tv if it's Tuesday, after 7 though.
Just thought I would ask. I guess that because this has been suggested on this forum it is exclusive to the Premier managers +1
bluestar
21-11-2007, 09:01
Not my intention Gary - hence the reference to Ben in the original suggestion - only appeared in the Premier section because I was following the thread - hope to get an invite out later this week, probably for the 1st or 2nd week in December.
Personally, I would like to get as many local managers and clubs involved as possible, because a code of conduct, which is my own personal aim, couuld only be achieved by getting all teams to participate - as I said though, initial get together will allow a suitable "wish list" to be pulled together for future discussion.
Hope to see you there
Well then that could mean 84 PDFL managers + 1. That doesn't include assistants.
Maybe Childers would be more suitable.
Maybe one manager from each club would be more managable.
bluestar
21-11-2007, 11:37
Utopia! Gary, the hope is that eventually every club would be represented and all mangers attend, dont believe, for a variety of reasons, that at the 1st meeting that will happen - have already got the nod from Childers to use the function room, so I will put an invite out and see what the response is and take it from there.
Langtoft_United
12-12-2007, 16:41
Utopia! Gary, the hope is that eventually every club would be represented and all mangers attend, dont believe, for a variety of reasons, that at the 1st meeting that will happen - have already got the nod from Childers to use the function room, so I will put an invite out and see what the response is and take it from there.
Did this every happen?
bluestar
14-12-2007, 08:46
not yet mate - been very busy at work, but that's no excuse so can only apologise for not getting off my fat arse to get this moving earlier:sad:
however.....I have got the agreement to use the function room at Childers social club in Whittlesey so lets set a date for the 8th January (Tuesday) at 20:00 - that gives me time to get an open invitation into the ET for all Peterborough football managers to attend - I will also get something onto this site, something on our own website and possibly something into the league so that they can include the info onto their web etc.
As stated previously dont have an agenda, so any items that people would like to discuss let me know, personally I would like to see some of the more "senior" managers such as Tommy,Al, Gino etc take an active role, and also as previously stated I do have a proposal for the chairman ( Spec), but of course thats for the guys who attend the meeting to decide. C'mon then guys lets get this moving..........
If you want, i can mass email everyone on here to give them a kick up the 'arris. Just let me know what you want sent, and it will be done.
CoatesFC - Dave
14-12-2007, 10:53
I can put something on our website Mick, not sure if it will help but you never know!!
Just pm me with anything you want/need putting on there.
bluestar
14-12-2007, 16:55
yes please gents, if we can get the invite out via as many sites etc as possible, we can hope for a good turn out - once again from the original posting the idea was as follows :-
" Here's a thought to promt discussion though - what about getting a Peterborough Football Managers association up and running - no grand agenda or aims, simply as a way to put together some ground rules etc - As well as bringing in a code of conduct it would also give new managers, such as we have with the reserves at Whittlesey, the opportunity to tap into the knowledge of guys such as Tommy, Al, Spec, and perhaps the manners of guys like Trevor Bass! - and yes I know Spec isnt running a club at the moment - but wouldn't that make him an ideal candidate to be the 1st chairman of the association ?
Thoughts please gentlemen, more than happy to arrange an initial meeting to get it up and running........
Meeting is arranged for the 8th January 20:00 @Childers Social club, Station Rd, in Whittlesey - whilst I currently have no set agenda, more than happy to accept ideas to pull an agenda together to get this off and running - so suggestions please chaps.....
Langtoft_United
14-12-2007, 17:07
I think that one thing we should definately all have is each others telephone numbers, perhaps when you arrive you have to sign in with your name, number and email address so someone can type them all up and send them all out.
Just an idea.
Tommy Trophy
14-12-2007, 19:20
Happy to attend and add my 2p worth which is all I can afford now I am unemployed and paying £1,000,000 a week to players at PNS.
Great idea and hope it is well supported
Do think it would be a good idea to have some form of agenda, otherwise it may struggle from a lack of structure and I am happy to add the following: -
1. Policy for approaching players: -
a) Out of season
b) in Season
2.Code of conduct for behaviour by management team on the touchline and before / after games.
3. Code of conduct for player behaviour
4. How can clubs support officials and encourage more people to take up officiating?
4. How can clubs / individuals support the local leagues?
5. How can we as a group take football forward in the Peterborough area?
6. What does this group stand for and what are its short and long term aims?
I am sure that a number of people could add to this, and despite the light hearted stick I take for the passion I demonstrate in this beautifull game of ours, I truly believe that a co-ordinated and organised approach can make a REAL difference.
Tommy why have you edited your last post, has your employment circumstances (or lack of) forced the wage bill down from £2,000,000 per week?:)
Good agenda to start off with mate and very sensible, lets have a few more as well but keep them sensible
Tommy Trophy
15-12-2007, 10:57
Had a few to drink Spec and the spelling and typo's were horrible.
I must be some kind off idiot - 12 hour days and not earning a penny until February at the earliest - cancelled a trip to the Gambia at the end of January - going to be a capon on the table for Xmas dinner this year - what have I done!!!!!
Chris Judge
15-12-2007, 11:01
Good list Tommy First item on agenda should be the election of chairman (spec) to take charge of the meeting and that Tom's item 6 should be next to be discussed as this will decide the aims of those assembled and the other items would then follow on
Just a thought
bluestar
16-12-2007, 18:25
Excellent starter for ten - thanks Tommy, and yes Chris, if we are to achieve anything we need to have some strength of character at the head, hence my initial suggestion of Spec -will give it a week to see what other suggestions we get and then put a draft agenda out for final comment.
RealTharhegoeza
20-12-2007, 13:38
Yes a Football Managers Union is good idea but as far as not poaching players to go to higher divisions I can't see the turkeys voting for Xmas. The same can be said of players. Peterborough is a very small area with a managers and players alike thinking they are BIG FISH..... but they must remember this is a little pond.
For years Clubs have poached players, it happens on Saturdays AND Sundays locally.
You won't/can't stop it. But you can try*bkk*
I see on the website many managers said they would welcome a forum. But no manager will vote for change when it might cost them their post at the club.
One way of stopping poaching might be to have a transfer window which closes on the opening day of the season and only opens during January for 28 days. If they want to act like Premier managers let them be treated as such. Let the managers stand or fall by their selection, and do not allow them to go around "meeting players in pubs" on the "Off chance" and start throwing £10 notes at them.
Any player tapped up will have to remain with first club until January, and can only be released before the January date if the owning club de-register him, but he still won't be able to join/play for a new club until January.:nono:
Clubs with only one team should only be able to have a 20-man squad signed on at one time, this would make them a tad more discriminating as to who they sign and the "Good" players would either join 19 others and possibly find themselves warming a bench or on the other hand spread the talent around a little more. Also to sign a new player they must release one if they have 20 signed on. teams with reserve sides 40 players max.
If a first team is having problems let them use their reserve squad. Isn't that what reserve squads are for?????
Seb Hayes talks of being in favour of a managers forum. It only took him 6 weeks to stab Farcet and Bratts in the back and then goes to Yaxley and "offers" players from Jimmys squad a chance at a higher level and becomes one of the causes that aided in the team folding .
Promises mean nothing in football - greed rules OK. You cannot stop greed, except by taking the silver platter away.:mabub:
If this forum/association takes place you cannot have managers on the committee there will alway be the man looking after his ownclub andf fcuk the rest. County would have to implement the rules to go to Soho Square to be ratified, But if the "managers" are serious they could start the wave with a tiny ripple locally.
But I doubt it ...............:snt:
Yes a Football Managers Union is good idea but as far as not poaching players to go to higher divisions I can't see the turkeys voting for Xmas. The same can be said of players. Peterborough is a very small area with a managers and players alike thinking they are BIG FISH..... but they must remember this is a little pond.
For years Clubs have poached players, it happens on Saturdays AND Sundays locally.
You won't/can't stop it. But you can try*bkk*
I see on the website many managers said they would welcome a forum. But no manager will vote for change when it might cost them their post at the club.
One way of stopping poaching might be to have a transfer window which closes on the opening day of the season and only opens during January for 28 days. If they want to act like Premier managers let them be treated as such. Let the managers stand or fall by their selection, and do not allow them to go around "meeting players in pubs" on the "Off chance" and start throwing £10 notes at them.
Any player tapped up will have to remain with first club until January, and can only be released before the January date if the owning club de-register him, but he still won't be able to join/play for a new club until January.:nono:
Clubs with only one team should only be able to have a 20-man squad signed on at one time, this would make them a tad more discriminating as to who they sign and the "Good" players would either join 19 others and possibly find themselves warming a bench or on the other hand spread the talent around a little more. Also to sign a new player they must release one if they have 20 signed on. teams with reserve sides 40 players max.
If a first team is having problems let them use their reserve squad. Isn't that what reserve squads are for?????
Seb Hayes talks of being in favour of a managers forum. It only took him 6 weeks to stab Farcet and Bratts in the back and then goes to Yaxley and "offers" players from Jimmys squad a chance at a higher level and becomes one of the causes that aided in the team folding .
Promises mean nothing in football - greed rules OK. You cannot stop greed, except by taking the silver platter away.:mabub:
If this forum/association takes place you cannot have managers on the committee there will alway be the man looking after his ownclub andf fcuk the rest. County would have to implement the rules to go to Soho Square to be ratified, But if the "managers" are serious they could start the wave with a tiny ripple locally.
But I doubt it ...............:snt:
all your points are good in theory but the problem is that professional players are contractually obliged to play for their clubs if fit and selected as it is their employment. the reason for so much chopping and changing during the season at our level is due to changes in peoples personal circumstances as well as players and managers choices/attitudes. good idea but impossible to implement at our level and many levels above!
SportsSec
21-12-2007, 18:53
Whats difficult about a tranfer deadline?
Whats difficult about a tranfer deadline?
its impractical. it'd result in teams folding as they wouldn't be able to field teams as players decide to stop playing for various reasons during a season and clubs constantly need to strengthen due to departures. in the pro game you have to play if fit and selected which is why it can be implemented as you HAVE to abide by your contractual obligations.
RealTharhegoeza
22-12-2007, 00:37
If any manager has a problem selecting 20 players that for 28 games in a season he can trust to turn out for him, then perhaps he is selecting the wrong persons and should not rely on friends/mates, who are normally the ones that let you down, but scout around If every team is limited to 20 players therer should be a few players looking for clubs
As I said before things won't work if some don't want them to work. So scrap the idea of a managers forum and carry on as they have for years and just keep on moaning about the outcome.
bluestar
22-12-2007, 09:54
sorry mate - I put the original suggestion on the site, and certainly didn't do it with the intention of bringing in lots of rules and regulations which I dont thinlk are either practical or enforceable, Christ we are "ruled" to death already.
Of course the whole idea of a get together is to encourage discussion etc so you will be more than welcome to come along and add your points of view - as stated all I was hoping for was to get some sevility back within the local football management community, personally I don't want to stop players moving on, up, across, out whatever, I would just like to see a code of conduct whcih club management would suscribe to, anything else is for debate - Also happen to think that there are some good guys out there who have lots to offer, in terms of knowledge and experience, and from a personal point of view I have a young and enthusiastic reserve team manager at Whittlesey, and I want to see him develop and get as much out of the game as he puts in - simple really....
Still taking ideas for an agenda so put some thing together and it will be included......
Tommy Trophy
08-01-2008, 09:12
Hope the Managers meeting goes well tonight.
Sorry I can't attend as we have a League Cup game away at Potton United
Langtoft_United
15-02-2008, 21:13
another player left today, tapped up by yet another under performing UCL team.
at this rate i'll be lucky to still have a 5-a-side team this xmas
i now have a 1st team of 12 players with 3 of them suspended
I feel for you! I just had my second player tapped up by Deeping Rangers Res who are bottom of their UCL league, nice text message on a friday, "Sorry blah blah I think its better for me to play at a higher standard blah blah don't want to play for reserves blah blah"
The Kids been out 3 months with an injury came off the bench last week then bang deeping rangers res tap him up.
No respect for his team mates.
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