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Back of the Net
16-10-2007, 09:46
Here's something copied direct from the Minutes just recieved by us all from the PSMFL on email...
As a direct result of derogatory, misinformed comments over the last 6 months, predominantly by Sean Hamill of EMAP FC, on the Peterborough Sports Talk website the following Committee members tendered their resignations effective 31 October 2007, as follows
Paul Clarke (Chairman and Pitch Co-ordinator)
Fred Johnson (Acting Vice Chairman and Registration Sec)
Ken Gilbey (Child Protection Officer)
Paul Redgate (Referees Sec)
Nicholas Titman (Secretary)
The following Committee members will resign their positions from the end of this season
Keith Bryant (Fixture Sec)
Ken Gilbey (As Treasurer)
Richard Line (Fines Secretary)
A statement will be released to the Press on 10 October and N Titman will seek guidance from the NFA and the FA and report back at the next meeting.
Back of the Net
16-10-2007, 09:57
Here's part of a response I sent to the committee and clubs...
Only want others to see what's actually going on and not what rubbish the Secretary spouts in venom as he leaves.... it's all public knowledge so dont worry Cham hahahaha...
Hopefully it's an end to the endless finger pointing and a fresh start for the PSMFL? I've no doubt a few of the names below would stay when they hear the support they actually have without the Secretary twisting things!
The press have it also at http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/Football-league-committee-members-resign.3381004.jp
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EMAIL SENT:
I don't personally get on with Mr Titman (same as many others), I think thats clear, and here's just 1 reason why:
He actually once threatened me, my employers and my club with legal action because Tommy Flynn, Spec and others talked about him in a bad way online -
I actually had to get my solicitor involved and the Northants FA were copied into it all (by Titman), he later dropped it and apologised because I proved it was others that he didn't dare tackle and not me, I have proof on all of this if you want to see it...
That's the type of guy we're dealing with here, so perhaps it's no surprise to see departing comments of this nature, that I have no doubt came from him.
Mr Titman - Mr Titman announced he's leaving in the press 2 weeks ago now, so this is nothing new to us all - It's because the NFA won't let him sit on their committee as well as the PSMFL committee plus he's taking on football abroad, according to the press! So why does he point the finger at me and others talking online?
Paul Redgate - Paul Redgate actually announced this online 2 weeks ago, he said he 'is just too busy with Saturday & PFA football ' and he did so without mentioning my name or website talk forums at all, in fact he speaks on the same website forum as is being blamed for his resignation, so it cant be that can it?
Ken Gilby - Ken announced his retirement weeks ago and he states in these minutes, that he resigns due to MINUTES BEING ALTERED AFTER BEING AGREED - That has nothing to do with me or websites - Personally I have signed a petition that went around pleading for him to stay on and help us, so I hope he knows I for one totally support him, Ken please stay on and help the PSMFL, it needs people like your good self.
Paul Clarke - Paul C spoke to me directly last week on the phone and said he'd just had enough all round, not specifically me or websites - I sincerley hope he re-considers and stays on. Paul, please stay on as the PSMFL would be a lot worse off without you, you've always had my 100% support.
Keith Bryant - I have spoken to Keith personally about all of this, he's actually taking on coaching under 13's and just doesn't have the time any longer, Absolutely nothing to do with me or websites, He's said he'll stop on until the end of the season to help the PSMFL out , Maybe he'd consider staying on longer?
Fred Johnson - I have no idea if Fred points the finger of blame my way or at others who talk online? But I honestly hope he's not been swayed by the departing Secretary into believing I or any others are against him - Please stay on Fred.
Richard Line - I have no idea why Richard is going or if he even is going? - Again this has absolutely nothing to do with me or websites as I have never heard his name mentioned online or spoken in meetings apart from praising his efforts, I seriously hope he stays on to help.
Just read it sean and quite funny that they blame the site for their resignations but took no notice when we were making suggestions and trying to improve the league. :soo:
Sorry to hear about your thefts from Bushfields mate but gotta ask the question - Why leave it in there in the first place? Along with Bretton Woods they have always been well known for having little thiefs lying about. Take your stuff out mate!! A harsh lesson learnt unfortunately and no way of claiming anything back I believe!! :sad:
Back of the Net
16-10-2007, 12:53
I actually took my stuff out and always say if you leave stuff it's at your own risk - 5 lads paid the price...
I feel responsible as their footy manager though and am going through an insurance claim via Bushfields/Council... it seems those disclaimer notices mean nothing, they are not leagally binding etc
How petty to all resign on masse like that, the spineless buffoons were not up to the job in the first place.
A 5 year plan ? was that to sink Sunday Morning Football to an all time low, well xxxxxx you suceeded, you are a xxxxxxx who tries to xxxxxx, and you have now convinced the weak willed commitee who were just your puppets to come out with you and resign, you are all a laughable shambles who have embarassed Peterborough Football.
Paul Clarke, you employed the xxxxx in the first place against a lot of experienced and well thought of people's advice and you should have the decency to stay put and get it put right, everybody gets criticised on this site at some point, accept it and move on :bby:
Moderated ...... those comments are grounds for potential problems ! [Paul]
tom flynn
16-10-2007, 17:31
Sean, must admit im a bit aggrieved to see my name being thrown into the row between yourself and Mr Titman and the PSMFL.If you look back since i posted on this site i have never and i repeat never called Mr Titman.If i have a problem with Mr Titman i would say it to his face.I served on the PSMFL committee and i understand the amount of work that goes into the running of the said League.I just hope that people are thinking of the future of Sunday football and not of themselves.Why have i said this you might ask,its because its the truth.I do not like the idea of people,whoever they may be throwing my name about and attaching it to things i have nothing to do with.The problem i had was with Mr Prince who wrongly accused me of being involved in an incident at Chesnut Avenue.This has since been sorted out and Mr Prince was found to be mistaken.That is finished.I havnt always agreed with the some of the things that the PSMFL have agreed to but that it was happens on committtes.A voting system and majority wins. Simple as.But please do not underestimate the amount of work involved in running the PSMFL.
So where the hell do all us Sunday morning drunks go from here?
if all on the comittee drop out who decides who gets appointed and who is right for the jobs? (will it ever get back to normal?)
Rich i hope you havent just quit because everyone else has... make a stance and continue doing what you have been... i think you have been doing a great job and your just the treasurer!
What a shame. I for one will be sad to see all but one of the league committee go. I will not mention the one, because in my opinion it is not worth mentioning. In life you make you own decisions and you should not blame others for your actions. I hope the committee members reconsider, if they don't then life goes on. Remember no one person should be considered bigger than any league, club or Association. Not sure this has been the case on the PSMFL.
Oh yes. Whats wrong with freedom of speech?. If people do not like this forum and some of the views aired on it. Then don't read it. If people want to criticise it then they have to be prepared to accept criticism when the boot is on the other foot.
First of all let me say I have no personal axe to grind with Mr. Titman, he was actually very helpful to me towards the end of my career as manager of the Nags but in saying that I have heard a great deal of criticism aimed at him from several different club officials, past and present.In a democracy people are elected to serve and therefore can indeed be voted off, an attempt to do this failed because of what I beleive to be was an "procedural oversight" but for this I believe Mr. Titman would have struggled to keep his position. This procedural oversight would not have been missed at the next AGM and I think the same individual would have been democratically voted off. To blame one person for a "witch hunt" is way way off the mark, it seemed to me that a lot of team officials had lost confidence in Mr. Titman. Personally I would not stay in a position into which I was once elected if it was obvious that a lot of people didn't want me anymore. As for the rest of the committe resigning I am totally perplexed, is this "loyalty" what about the loyalty to all the clubs that have elected them into their positions? Insn't it the duty of the PSMFL Committee to serve the clubs to the best of their ability ? No-one as far as I can tell has publicly or on this forum criticised the majority of the serving committee. Words have been said about the shortage of referees but from some of the posts I have read the teams take some of the responsiblity. I think it is true to say that the main gripe has been with one individual and from what I can tell he seems to believe he is above criticism, no-one enjoys that esteemed position. There has also been what I consider some helpful suggestions made not only on this forum but also to Mr.Titman that he has chosen to ignore. I hope that a lot of the serving committee reconsider and , If as you say Mr Titman you only did what you consider what was best for PSMFL then go gracefully with dignity not screaming, yelling and mudslinging. Finally Mr. Flynn I don't think that there are many club officials who don't realise what hard work it is to serve on a committe but perhaps it could be that some people don't realise just how hard it is to run a football team on Sunday Mornings. It's obvious to me that it's time for a change, not wholesale but subtle. Sorry for going on but I have to thank the PSMFL for a lot of fond memories and I sincerely hope a lot more to come. :blh: :blh: :blh: :lol:
Back of the Net
17-10-2007, 09:30
Anyone bored with this now :lol:
Just so people know what actually happened because some comments and events were not taken down to go into the minutes...
Here's the jist of a PSMFL league meeting last night!
John Prince had to leave early to go into hospital, I wish him all the best, he should be out this morning I understand!.
4 new people went to the PSMFL meeting last night.
It seems some of the people who announced they are resigning are NOT actually leaving the committee, they are only resigning specific posts and will therefore remain on the committee.... So perhaps they are not all wlaking away due to comments on here etc??
To be honest we have no idea who's actually staying on and in what roles at this stage - it's clearly Politics! We believe Mr Titman and Paul Clarke are going on the 31st, Fred Johnson was on holiday so dont know about him, the rest are staying on for a while at least...
The 4 new people there last night were all waiting to be co-opted onto the committee to help in whatever roles needed cover - it didn't happen, They actually wanted us to write to them and request it, we offered to write it there and then and they said no you gotta post it to the Secretary and then come back in 2 weeks... all 4 of us were totally amazed at this!
You get invited to to help out and you turn up to do just that, It's then stated that you actually have to write in to accept and you didn't do that, so go away, write the letter and then come back in 2 weeks and we'll discuss it again - Someone or some people clearly wanted to buy time and who knows what for!!!!
The Great news is that we do have some cracking people on board and the Committee will continue doing great work if it's allowed too!
Ken is staying on till at least the end of the season as is keith bryant and hopefully Richard Line, Paul redgate is staying on (not sure in which role/s though), John Prince staying, Dave Oxer staying and 4 new people at least so things can move forward but only IF the committee allow it....
The people that you have mentioned (who are staying on) have Peterborough Football's best interests at heart and deserve all of our praise and support. I hope that this is the start of something beautiful!
I also hope that NT still come to watch local football and doesn't bear any grudges - you tried, it didn't work, now somebody else will. After all - John Toshack was out of football for a while, came back again and look at the great job that he is now doing with Wales! :lol:
In all seriousness, remember that NT is a human being and although he hasn't been as succesful as a League Secretary; he doesn't deserve any snipes once he has vacated his post.
thats funny in comparison with some of your previous messages. right little jekyl and hyde hey mate.
Mate, just because he isn't the best Secretary, doesn't make him a bad person! You are not being entirely truthful there Mr Harbour - if you want to quote me, then I will happily apologise, but I only talked about NT in his current role as Secretary. I have never once made comment about him in life away from PSMFL. When he has been a ref to me (apart from the record fine and ban handed to me by him one Monday night - which was a little harsh) I have had no problem and we have always exchanged a little banter before and during the game. In fact, he'd always praise me when I did something good on the field. However, away from the field of play and on the PSMFL side, I never agreed in public with Back of the Net's comments, until I saw first hand how the committee agreed to accept a public vote before the AGM and then when it came around, I was there when Sean was blocked from suggesting one.
woah nelly, i was expecting a little catch off that one but not a whale... nice work.
i have kept away from the comments on this thread purely because i always had a good laugh where Nick was involved when it came to reffing my games which he has done at the boro astro since i was old enough to kick my first ball on there, i know what your saying Raph dont worry mate was tugging your chain.
Cool, cool. Who have you got this week? Talk about League wide open now! :sad:
waiting to hear from Tyler. think he removed me from his text list as i was away last week, from what i read pretty sure its a cup filled weekend and were at sawtry sat but northants sunday?
Racing 252
17-10-2007, 18:58
Harbs we are at home sun against Northampton JWC Athletic
The 4 new people there last night were all waiting to be co-opted onto the committee to help in whatever roles needed cover - it didn't happen, They actually wanted us to write to them and request it, we offered to write it there and then and they said no you gotta post it to the Secretary and then come back in 2 weeks... all 4 of us were totally amazed at this!
You get invited to to help out and you turn up to do just that, It's then stated that you actually have to write in to accept and you didn't do that, so go away, write the letter and then come back in 2 weeks and we'll discuss it again - Someone or some people clearly wanted to buy time and who knows what for!!!!
good luck getting anything posted in the next 2 weeks!
tom flynn
18-10-2007, 08:53
Sean, why the f**k was my name put down on any paperwork and by whom?
The 4 new people there last night were all waiting to be co-opted onto the committee to help in whatever roles needed cover - it didn't happen, They actually wanted us to write to them and request it, we offered to write it there and then and they said no you gotta post it to the Secretary and then come back in 2 weeks... all 4 of us were totally amazed at this!
You get invited to to help out and you turn up to do just that, It's then stated that you actually have to write in to accept and you didn't do that, so go away, write the letter and then come back in 2 weeks and we'll discuss it again - Someone or some people clearly wanted to buy time and who knows what for!!!!
good luck getting anything posted in the next 2 weeks!
just hand it to Richard Line he's a postman :D sorry Rich u could be in for some hate mail now ... not that it would get delivered to you :P
Back of the Net
18-10-2007, 12:25
Tommy,
mate your name was never put on any paperwork at all - Mr Titman tried to convince the NFA and the Committee that I was the ONLY person talking about him and the committee online, he threatened me with legal action and it seemed to be about comments that Spec made ages ago, Spec stood up on here and asked Mr Titman to take him on and leave me out of it... you had posted a message in the same thread of conversation but it was a harmless one I hasten to add.
It was pointed out to Mr Titman (not in a letter but verbally) that his case was garbage because clearly Spec is standing up and saying it's him with a picture beside his message - Titman claimed it was only me and other nameless people speaking online, I said well Spec and Tommy etc are hardly nameless (picture etc) and they speak online, In fact Spec has stated it's him you're after but you refuse to take him on!! - that was it mate, it was a simple point made to Titman to prove his claims were false - in no way was your name involved further than that passing comment!
Sorry if thats outta line mate, didn't mean it that way and you were never gonna be involved other than that comment.
My comments are my comments and if Nick Titman can't handle the criticism I write about on here then that's tough but when somebody threatens me with legal action for offering an opinion I am not going to go and hide in a corner especially when I know the legal system inside out and also know that it wouldn't go further than a solicitors office let alone actually get to court because it would be laughed out the corridor before it reached the office.
How many times on all my postings have I actually slaughtered anybody (probably not even 2%), I don't hide behind any ficticious names and whatever my opinion of Nick Titman as secretary of the PSMFL that is because of his position not as a human being.
I will write what I believe in and Tommy you are trying to distance yourself from something that you actually felt very very strongly about over 4 years ago. Time might have healed why you quit the PSMFL but I can't believe you are hanging Sean out to dry like this.
Sean, there are better ways to put across your argument than coming running to put on this site things that should probably be kept until the right time to be said, I know enough things that have gone on regarding Sunday morning football over the last 6 or 7 years but there is a time and a place for it to come out and on this site is not one of them.
If Mr Titman goes then we all have our wish but those instigators had better be prepared to put the time and effort in to put it right or my vision of Sunday morning football decending into chaos in 3 or 4 years time will come a lot sooner than that.
tom flynn
18-10-2007, 18:23
Bullsh** Spec, Im not trying to distance myself at all.If id said something on this site then fair enough but i didnt.Yes, i have my opinions but as you say Spec there is a time and a place to express opinions on the subject but i chose not to on here.I felt very passionate about the PSMFL thats why i went onto the committee at the time.Hanging Sean out to dry my ass,If i wasnt involved then dont involve me, simple as.I told Sean why i resigned from the committee but that was a private matter and nothing to do with the subject of who should run the PSMFL.I thankyou. :mnn:
I think it is time to close this issue once and for all. The person , who I refuse to mention has now resigned and told the whole of Peterborough twice now through the local paper. If he wants to blame this site then let him. However if his departure helps towards securing the future of Sunday Morning football then we should all drink to that. Lets all move forward now and talk about the future and not dwell on the past.
Hear hear. Can we have some refs please? :lol:
Back of the Net
19-10-2007, 08:43
blimey lads calm down...
Tommy you didn't try to 'hang me out to dry' at all mate, I know that.. fair play you just want your name out of it.... your name was never really involved, it was a passing comment to prove someone wrong... I never spoke about what you told me privately to anyone and wouldnt do it regardless of what happened mate.
Spec you're right! I'm bored with it, just wanted to set the record straight as someone put in recent PSMFL minutes I was solely to blame for them all quitting - turns out they aint quitting just leaving some of their duties and actually still staying on the committee.. Plus 4 new people have offered to help on Committee and they're asking for more to join so things look very good actually... will leave it at that though!
Footy n Rugby weekend - :beer: :beer: :beer: any predictions??? South Africa look strong!
If it was a passing comment about other people involved then what is wrong with that, stop being a drama queen Tommy :nail:
tom flynn
19-10-2007, 11:53
F.Y. SPECK. :stpd:
You tried once in Bristol and it made your nose bleed :mnn:
Come on lads - Don't fall out over something so trivial - Put the handbags away and have a :hug:
eddie c s
19-10-2007, 17:41
good song that handbags and gladrags....... yeah ive had enough of footy this week with that pile of **** on wed night . i always liked rugby. i admire there sportsman like body shapes . athelets who will bring us glory
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