hmmm deja vu?

[eddie c s]

what an absolute disgrace .... get up everyone goes 2 thorney 4 netherton vs mcCains ... hmm guess why we could not play

this is a joke . i know 4 a fact our secretary has been in contact with the league until late fri with not even a mention of no referee . it is now nearly end of sept n were still waitin to play our first game .

tournament this week maybe??

i think in my opinion the league should compensate our club with petrol money , 6 cars for the player 3 cars from peterborough for the fans n one car from northampton ..... 30 p a mile ??

[maccaceltic]

I think you're right, when i was managing Newham Athletic i soon realised that the league like to hand out fine after fine for any little error or try to hammer other clubs for petty things. But when its there error or mistake or they havent informed you of anything then its ok. They should compensate!

[carefree]

this will keep happening unless you do something about it. send the league a bill for expenses, as you would get one from them if the referee showed and you didn't.

you guys really need to put a protest in to county asking them to help.

[mattsedd]

agreed Care Free.

At this rate the season will become the 2007 / 2008 / 2009 season.

disgrace.

also a disgrace that the referee I mentioned last week, surprise surprise was not contacted again. So it's not just a shortage of refs. something is going wrong somewhere else, and we deserve better than this.

[carefree]

what about pitch rental? surely who ever puts the goals ect still get paid if no ref shows. can work out expensive and most sunday morning sides just don't have money to throw away

[Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4]

Quick question but if a league meeting between 2 prem sides has to be cancelled due to a shortage of refs then why is it that certain games happen in the lower Sun morn leagues. Surly the higher leagues must take prefrence.?l

[carefree]

it could be because maybe the referee has to be at a certain level :soo:

but i could be wrong. but a prem game may be a bit much for a novice to take charge off maybe?

[boot boy]

think carefree is right cause was talking about this yesterday.al cant pm ya dont know why?so posted on sunday morn you see it?

[mattsedd]

I think that is the official reason, but if there are not enough refs that can officiate at that level, perhaps this needs to be reviewed????

or of course we could just cancel the league. Which I think is what one or two people perhaps secretly want to happen.......

("told you so....bigger leagues will never work etc. etc.")

It can easily be done.
Or certainly easily done better.

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It's nothing to do with bigger leagues, still the same amount of games to officiate as the same amount of teams playing each week...
There are plenty of refs in our area to ref these games but some are chosing not too (or maybe not being asked correctly?) for various reasons.
One ref told me last week that he gets a call from the league and they list games available, when he hears certain teams he avoids them as he knows it'll be trouble - it's a small problem I'm sure but as teams we have to ensure we dont give them grief or we'll lose them.

regards how it's being run... well you only have to read opinion on here to see that many people are not happy and feel it could be done better, but I doubt anything will be done as they'll blame us lot somehow and continue doing it their way!

[mattsedd]

we all know it's nothing to do with bigger leagues. Just wonder if someone's trying to prove their point....

if people are being asked who they want to ref, thats shocking. should be allocated.

doesn't explain why we haven't got ref's though....we're too nice to them for our own good! Perhaps we should start swearing directly at refs and grabbing people by the throats ( as we've seen other teams do already this season) .....

[Raph]

It's a joke! :sad:

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Of course it should be allocated but in the real world you'd have to tell them who they're reffing and try to sort something out if they objected so you cant blame them for simply saying to the ref "this is what we have to ref do you object to any and if not we'll allocate 1" - fair enough I guess?

I doubt anyones trying to prove a point as there is no point to prove, if they try and say no refs because of bigger leagues they'd be laughed at because it's quite clear there are the same amount of games to ref as there are the same amount of teams competing, plus several people have handed them spreadsheets to prove bigger leagues can be reffed even with fewer referees by resting 1 league each week, they chose to ignore that plan and have ended up cancelling the same amount of games anyway, so why not use that plan and then you could let teams know what weekends they have free in advance???
It's getting a bit boring now though to be honest, they'll do their own thing and if it goes 't*ts' up then everyone else but them will be to blame.

Write to your local FA (or email) and let them know your concerns as I think if several different clubs/managers/refs/players etc did this then something may change, as they could not afford bad publicity for ignoring it???

[Raph]

I personally blame you guys for writing stuff on da intranet . . . innit. I've a good mind to get an article written in the ET about it. Bad people.

[PRedgate]

Have held back from commenting on website but feel i must air my view,

Firstly there is no hidden agenda what so ever with regards referees and fixtures being cancelled...this is purely my responsiblity for which i am accountable for...

Secondly, at the end of the day i am purely a volunteer i put myself out 10 hours per week for this league when i finish work to try and arrange referees for forthcoming fixtures. On average per week i put 20 - 25 hours into local football. This time is valuable to myself with a young family....

Yes some referees do not wish to referee certain teams and yes i do discuss fixtures with referees as to which they would feel comfortable refereeing.

I am more than willing to accept any help that persons wish to offer in attracting referees to our league however the comments aimed at myself i find offensive...Rather than moan and whinge why not do something constructive i.e become a referee or advise myself if you know someone who is willing to referee in the league. I am only one man and as such i would welcome anyone who is prepared to offer 10 hours per week free to appointing and finding referees.

I have tried to put football first in Peterborough and am spread thinly between different leagues and organisations in the area. In the summer i decided that i would step down as referees secretary for the league after this season and help find a successor. If mattsedd would like to offer his services i am more than willing in showing and advising him of what is necessary.

Yes there are the same number of games as last year and yes there are the same number of referees however not all referees want to referee every week most do two to three games a weekend due to the shortage nationally and locally. I would encourage anyone who wishes to volunteer their help to contact me as it would be much appreciated.

this is purely my opinion and not that of the league

[Raph]

You should be paid for your time from the money that rests in the League's bank account. In fact - everyone on the committee should have some form of financial recompense in one way or another. The blame doesn't lie with you Paul - it lies with those who are not facilitating and organising the League properly (or at least in line with the 5 year plan set out).

[Harbs]

think that pretty much answers a lot of questions, so rather than continuing airing displeasure its time to do something abou it.
maybe a few of you with idea's should be p.m ing mr Redgate with some constructive alternatives to assist and see where we are in a months time.

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Harbs... several people offered help and advice and a workable structure for allocating refs to Paul and to the PSMFL, they rejected them and said they'd do it their way, has it worked??? well that's for others to decide.

Paul, most people appauld your efforts in allocating the refs from the pool you have, dont think we're all in arms against you in particualr mate.. in fact would you email me details of how I can become a registered ref for my club please?
But we did put someone from Livingsport your way months ago and he had a budget to help with refs from lottery money - he told me directly neither you nor anyone from the PSMFL contacted him until we prompted it AGAIN prior to the AGM - also the plan of resting a league each week WAS and IS workable but it was ignored and now you've got a shed load of people moaning at lack of refs and being let down at late notice - you were warned this would happen but for whatever reason the PSMFL chose to ignore and go their own way!
Please dont think we're all on here just to slate people but not willing to help - I've offered to help repeatedly, many at the AGM wanted change and were willing to help should that change occur but we all know what happened there - it was blocked which pretty much sent out the message that the PSMFL committee blamed us lot for shortcomings recently and it was nothing to do with them why we're losing clubs/refs/players etc at a rate of knots!

you tell us mate - why are we in such a mess?

[Ross]

See my announcement in general soccer, that told you all about a referees course

[Raph]

Make it rule to have one ref associated with each club! If you don't like it . . . don't moan about having no ref - simple as.

[eddie c s]

i agree paul yes were all pleased with the effort that is put in by all in the league , and we know u do work hard n that u r spread thinly as ur commitments to all sorts of football . u def sould not be a volunteer and should be paid for at least the 10 hrs u put into it a week as im sure that would come out of the sunday mornin funds 2 which no one would/can argue about.

but on a personal level mr hair spoke 2 u wed thurs and friday and there was not a mention of no ref for us . this let down all the players as firstly they had no game to play in , and many drove there car on sunday mornin 17 miles to thorney , many supporters went as well so u can understand why many are a bit peeeeed off with what happened .

and the excuse of the fact that refs didnt want to ref netherton n mcCains because of abuse in my eyes cant be used , dont think they have much history of abuse 2 refs .

and if ur short of refs n our reserves dont have a game then the ref we provided for league is sometimes availible but has yet to be asked.....

like i say we all appriciate the job u do which u should be paid for but u can see where most r coming from

[PRedgate]

With regards to Netherton game, ref advised via email that he had to work and was unavailable..Left a message on McCains Sec answerphone to advise him, was unaware this person was on holiday.

I can only apologise, in hindsight i perhaps should of advised Mr Hair on Friday when i found out. All i can do is put it down to experience and i made a mistake, i am only human. Yes i appreciate the help Netherton have put into referees and can only thank them. I will call on the person in question when Netherton have no game. Thank you for your comments.

this is purely my opinion and not that of the league

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Paul, can't resist this sorry!!!
Is there any corallation between the timing of your posts (1st on here that I've seen from you) and the mention of people writing to their own FA's with their concerns?
I'm a true sceptic and cant help but feel you've waited until that was mentioned until defending the situation???

Mate, I think you personally do an ok job with the tools you're given and obvious re-strictions you suffer from the FA/Refs/Committee and certain teams etc, but people are not best pleased right now and prior to the AGM this was all talked about, now it's going T*TS up (couldn't resist that either) people are talking about it all and I stick by my earlier posting that they should contact their local FA and voice their concerns, it's the only way it'll improve/change because trying to vote for change obviously wont work will it.......

[Raph]

Progress that at least we got a reply!

[eddie c s]

thats ok . cheers . yes mistakes do happen n hope we all can learn from this .

one other question now ..... to whom it may concern???

these cup games that u have 2 play 2 league games before bein allowed to play in the cup , can this rule now be revoked?? if u dont want to leave a reply on here please pm me as were now gettin quite concerned .

[Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4]

BOTN must say i have read your posts and have to agree strongly that it is very timely for Paul to come on here.

But in this case there are always going to be for and against answers as both sides only see it from there point of view which is why i agree with you and teams should go to there own FA.
One great thing about this site is that it keeps you well and truly in the loop at what is happening on the field and more importantly off the field of play behind closed doors.

[Raph]

Agreed S. Harley.

[Lee]

I should imagine its frustrating for all parties... Paul when he's told yes by a ref only to be let down last minute and the club managers when they have to face 22plus lads who have arrived for a game of footy and no one is there to officiate the game - that's what makes it look a farce and a park kick around.

Short term
Maybe it should be agreed that the HOME Team supplies a ref for now if the 2 clubs are told either way by Paul say Thursday? I know its another annoying thing for clubs to have to be burdened with but what other options is there? Then there is a question of whether they should be FA qualified? But can beggers be choosers? Its an idea for now...


Long Term
Players and Club Officials to tone down the aggression (I know easier said than done in heat of the moment situations) Then maybe the league provide some sort of regular monthly incentive for sporting teams with high Sportsmanship Marks that are received from the opponents and refs in a game?

A punishment for those who continue to receive Marks below a certain level/amount - say points deduction or something not quite so harsh.

Then somewhere along the line potential refs will see that something is being done to protect their interests - Why not regular awards for the Refs each month who receive regular high scores from clubs! Reward them to! Official of the Month then their scores add up n they get Cup Finals etc...

Its just some ideas and areas for debate?

[Cham1]

I am a bit fed up that this site gets slated for moaning about things that are wrong with local football. Here we have a capitive audiance and many, if not all care about the state of local football. Well done Paul for having the balls to air your views and explaining the problems you have on a week to week, month to month basis. You do a grand job even if you do spread yourself too thin at times. I have said before and I will say it again it would be nice if the league would be prepared to see some of the views aired on this site in a positive way instead of looking at them in a negative light all of the time.

I would say that I stood down at PFA Secretary last year because I was sick to death of the politics in local football, of which there is far too much. Also I felt that I had taken the Association as far as I could in the direction I wanted to take it. Sunday football is not a patch on what it was 5-7 years ago and it is about time that everybody had a voice on how to improve it be it at the phone, the paper or here on this or other forums. Now I have deliberately not mentioned any names of committee members and that is because as far as I am concerned they should be considered a team. Sadly they do not appear to be functioning very well as a very effective team at present.

Finally all the players and teams just want to play football and surely it is the responsibility for the league to ensure that this happens.

[Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4]

Lee i find it quite amusing that you mention teams should tone down on aggression or be punished. I remeber you ran the Blue Bell team and one game againts Whittlesey things werent going your way and you decided to kick off which resulted on your fans running on the pitch and punching the centre half. Funnily enough the ref said after the game that he had refed you before and had similar incidents.
Are you being hypocritical here, me thinks so!!

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now now Shaun, lets not start that one with the Bluebell....
I reffed a friendly between Alconbury res and our lot pre-season, Lee and his lads were fine... a few niggles but it was baking hot and a few lads just got narky in the heat but it passed without incident really - maybe their big centre half could calm it a little but overall they were an ok bunch who just hated to lose - which is fair enough!
We should indeed all just pen a letter/email or pick up the phone to your local FA and register your concerns, it shouldn't be a personal attack on anyone simply thoughts on how our league is failing over the last few seasons and how you think it's being run - maybe the FA could help?

Mark, well put mate! many on here just want to improve things if possible and talking about it openly should not hinder that, if the league could take the positives instead of blaming us lot all the time we'd be much much better off!
It's a shame but Politics have indeed taken over local football, at the recent PSMFL AGM it was a total farce because the league feared letting their members actually speak up, watching them all whisper between each other and openly say it was others that were to blame for talking about it online etc was a disgrace because they obviously knew people wanted change but simply refused to let their members speak on the subject...
Most member clubs in the room were left in no doubt that those in charge simply want to stay in charge regardless of what others think and will do anything to keep it that way whilst blaming anyone else but themselves for shortcomings - and that's Politics for ya I suppose!

Full credit to Paul Redgate, it took balls to come on here and talk about his role, it's a tough job and he does his best, with proper support from us all and the committee, the job would be a lot easier perhaps?

[carefree]

am i missing something here? :soo:

i spend 10 hours a week in my garden and its still a mess :soo:

we all spend many hours unpaid in local footy, be it on the league committee or helping run a club, p1ss's me off when i here 'I DO IT FOR FREE'. i ring my players for free, i train my players for free, i help preper match days for free, i pick players up for free, i buy equipement out of my own pocket not for free. i run and train a kids footy team for free.

many do alot for local footy for free, why? for me its because i enjoy it. (mostly).

if paul hadn't taken the bait would you have got an excuse mr sedden?

will the referee pay nethertons exspenses? (err no)

why didn't the ref call someone at netherton to tell them he was working?

why? because its cr*p thats why. he didnt get up, p1ssed from the night before no doubt.

letters should still be sent to county ect or the league gets away with it

[Lee]

Shaun, people live n learn in life mate I made mistakes as a manager and person put my hands up to it hence why I said Players and OFFICIALS need to tone it down I just took to much on at times. Im not coming on websites slagging people I dont even know off never have done dont intend on doing it either but for the record I was not manager of Bluebell at that point - Club Secretary its a difference.

People need to come up with solutions for these problems and one solution certainly is not slagging each other off!

Do agree some sort of compensation should be made to those teams who organise the teams/travel/set up pitches only for game to be off due to ref no show as would certainly be an issue if a club failed to show. Send letters to FA yes definately but guys they seriously in one anothers pockets so dont see it achieving alot - from experience.

[Sport4all]

At last a reply from the league, who even puts his name to the article. Perhaps it is time for the "Empire" to strike back. Paul is not the "official" spokesman of the committee but I defend his right to defend himself. There are people on the PSMFL committee that work bloody hard for local football and would do it for nowt. Paul should have mentioned he got an honoraria to ease his finances but so do the rest. So do I. I've sat on the committee now for well over 6 years I think, doesn't time fly. I was there when Nick put forward his "plan" at the AGM, I was there and, was vociferous in speaking for the requirement to have proper officials reffing proper games.
I've watched teams "die" for no other reason than maladministration (on the clubs side mostly). I have watched teams twist and squirm to wriggle out of fines they so richly earnt and deserved. I have watched and listened to club officials actually come to meetings and speak untruths. I've heard league officials do it as well, including myself, (mistakenly most of the time). Most of the teams and their officials in this league are terrific, they are interested in local football and want to play on Sunday Mornings, not just get drunk on a Saturday night and sleep it off on Sunday, I speak to most of them on a regular basis on a Sunday morning around 1pm they love the game they don't want to see it die. Most would love to do something but find it hard to get motivated during the week when they have work/families etc to cope with. But there must be 5 or 6 people out there in SportsTalk land who for a couple of hours each week and an hour or two on the 3rd Tuesday of each month to attend a meeting who could do something. Who could make a difference. The PSMFL is running on a knife edge at the moment, clashes of personalities within and amongst the league and it's officials, need to be shelved for the time being (I don't mean swept under the carpet and forgotten in the end they must be sorted one way or another) the clubs and officials need to pull together to put this season back on track or the season may die, and I don't think any of us want that.
Ring Clarkey and offer your services. You will be surprised at the welcome you will get. or even come to the New Secretaries meeting tonight. :run:

[eddie c s]

agreed we all do it for love of the game n we all lose out if mistakes are made . just seems really unfair that if a club makes a mistake they pay for it , but if the league come out and admit they made a mistake then they should compensate , surely it works both ways . paul should not have 2 pay for it but both mccains and netherton should be rembursed from huge league funds .

n this should also happen when any future events when teams turn up for no reason without both teams bein informed without a ref . as after all the home team still have to pay the man to open changin rooms and do the nets .

and dam it i want 2 pound 89 as well . i bought a mcdonalds breakfast and if i had know there was no game that would of been money saved and calories not aquiered .

maybe invoicing the league with expenses is the way to go lol

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Carefree, fair point mate and one that I thought about for a while and then remembered this from recent AGM meetings that Paul is a part of (others on committee get the same and some more than him, I think!)
2 or 3 years ago our clubs passed a motion agreeing the HONORARIUM (costs refunded to committee members!) would be increased by cost of living rate each year and I'm sure all committee members get their share of this Honorarium, It's shown as a lump sum on the balance sheet of the figures from the AGM I think?

So to come on here and say he doesn't get any recompense at all and he does it all for free may not be exactly true?
Plus I am fairly sure he gets a phone allowance, along with others on the committee! Now what managers/clubs get that?

To be fair I don’t knock it at all, as I think they should get some recompense for the work they put in and grief they get from doing it - but to come online here and say "I do it all for free" when the figures at AGM and discussions at AGM clearly show they do get some form of recompense is a little much really?

Oh and Paul, recently the PSMFL Committee at AGM clearly said none of the committee would ever stoop so low as to comment on this website and they all act as a team under instruction - can we take it from your message that the Secretary is indeed aware of your comments on here and he along with others are in agreement with them???

[JNE]

Bad day Al?? :soo: :lol:

[PRedgate]

BOTN, at no point have i said the work i do was free all i said was i am a volunteer yes i get an honorium...i cannot argue with that.

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Paul,

Sorry mate, but as Carefree states your post previously could mislead others into thinking you get nothing back for this work at all, at least you get paid back expenses etc - us as managers/players etc get nothing back and still donate just as much time/effort - that was the point to confirm... not a dig at you at all...

Read the ET just now.. the Secretary has called a meeting in response to Big Rons commets on refs or lack off....
Are all the committee invited and aware of this meeting I wonder, or could it be another meeting of the 'select few' discussing how evil we all are on this site and how best to blame us for things going wrong???
I'd be prepared to bet a score, that my name amongst others is mentioned more than once when looking to pass the blame and this site being the main topic for a rant! :lol:

[eddie c s]

lol looks like someone is a bit p**sed off in the e.t lol . hope the meeting gets it sorted

[carefree]

not at all foggy, you know me i ve always spoke my mind, which has once and while got me into bother. but i can live with that. if any good comes from the comments (which i feel most are valid comments) then it can only aid other footy clubs playing in the sunday morning league.

it would seem to me that most point their finger at one committee member? is this true?. maybe if that is the case someone else should be elected. but who wants the job? the way things are no one i should think.

if a league is in crisis the f.a are there to help believe me, i don't mean county i mean soho. they would send someone to help solve the current problems advise ect... all the league need to do is ask. (bet they haven't)

if there is a meeting tonight maybe an fa offical from london should have had an invited.

[spec]

It's all too little too late, the only reason the PSMFL is now asking for an input is because they are drowning, you should have listened 2 years ago when you were first alerted to the problem.
At least a few have now held their hands up and admitted a few things, Mark Chambers, we all knew why he left and now the internal politics have been admitted again.
INTERNAL - a word that means within, you lot started it and got yourselves in the mess you lot get yourselves out of it, a few resignations from the perpetrators would be a good start, hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong, everyone knows who you are.

Earlier point about maladministration - either make it easier for teams to run a side or give them administrative advice, I think you underestimate what it takes to run a team and not everybody who runs a side is an Einstein - offer them some help AND NOT IN A BLOODY LETTER EITHER.

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have emailed the local rag to give them a few thoughts about recent events - I understand one or 2 others have done the same also...
we predicted this mess (as Spec says) ages ago but nothing was done, time to do something about it or at least speak up and voice your concenrs/opinions??? the FA's are only a phone call or email away also if anyone has concerns about the mess we seem to be in - whatever your view if it's heard by the press/online/fa etc then something may be done about it??

[jb]

:stpd: i'm totally with spec on his post!

[tom flynn]

During my time on the above committee all existing and new secretaries were offered a course on paperwork to help them and answer questions on things they were struggling with.Only 1 secretary turned up from the whole league.

[Cham1]

Spec I was also tired of doing the job. In total I had been an administrator since 1987 and have always believed that unless you can give the job 100% then you should not do it. Unfortunately the politics is the one side effect of any discussion. However I also believe that some people go out of their way to stop any good things suggested from having a chance to work before they have even tried.

The problem with the Sunday league as I see it is that many people appear to have lost confidence with the way it is run. It seems to me that not allowing a club referee to officiate when an official does not turn up also hinders them. Too many games and not enough referees is a recipe for failure, after all its a bit like promising to serve 200 people in a restaurant when you only have 1 waiter. (Jose)

[Raph]

Would never have happened when I ran Toscanini !!! :lol:

[spec]

Mark, I know why you left (well i'm presuming but still right!) and you can say you were also tired of doing the job but nobody gets tired of doing things if they are enjoying it and at the same time seeing a project you are heavily involved in becoming a popular and wothwhile exercise, you get your adrenalin from that and tired is the last thing on your mind, your second comment hits home more, I found current commitee members (sick to death of naming them now) totally unapproachable, totally so far up their own :mnn: and not one of them with any background, sporting achievemnet or business acumen to warrant that sort of mentality (although those that do possess the afore mentioned criteria are usually very modest about it and down to earth people because they have walked the walk).

Flynny, bit disappointed you come up with a statement like that to rebuff my comments about administration when you haven't replied to anything else I have argued about and you are one of the people who could blow this wide open if stating a few things that went on in your tenure as Vice Chairman, was that the easy option reply ??????

[Sport4all]

Yesterday as a voice from the inside, so to speak, I put a statement out on Sportstalk regarding the problems PSMFL are having at present.
I am advised by members of the committee in higher positions than myself that
1. they do not speak or explainn themselves on a website such as this.
2. The PSMFL have a spokesman from whom all releases should go
3 Anyone other than the spokesperson should advise the people they are discussing matters with that their points of view are strictly their own and are not sanctioned by the PSMFL committee

Therefore I wish to advise anyone reading or perusing this site that any comments/views made by myself that have anything to do with the running/organisation of the league are my own.

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Yesterday as a voice from the inside, so to speak, I put a statement out on Sportstalk regarding the problems PSMFL are having at present.
I am advised by members of the committee in higher positions than myself that
1. they do not speak or explainn themselves on a website such as this.
2. The PSMFL have a spokesman from whom all releases should go
3 Anyone other than the spokesperson should advise the people they are discussing matters with that their points of view are strictly their own and are not sanctioned by the PSMFL committee

Therefore I wish to advise anyone reading or perusing this site that any comments/views made by myself that have anything to do with the running/organisation of the league are my own.

So it's a gagging order for you is it??
Tut tut you should have known better than to actually speak dirtectly to us players/clubs/managers etc...
Don't you know the 'correct' way to do it is by letter and you must include at least 2 arcane FA rulings in full to esure the reader is suitably confused enough to allow your point to be extra vague and then perhaps he'll ignore and you could fine them some money!!! :lol:
Seriously though - Mr redgate, did you get the same slap on the wrists for talking to us on here, and were your comments just your own or did you get permission to speak from your leader 1st :lol: :lol:

you couldn't make it up!! talk about out of touch!

[Teilo]

Definately looks like the tin hats are on and they are diving into the bunkers!!! It is bizarre that if they are struggling with refs, then a club should be able to appoint a home ref who then takes on the full responsibilities of a referee. I've had a few seasons in the Wisbech Sunday league, and I've been asked to drop out of the team and pick up the whistle on several occasions. Nothing to do with my perceived lack of ability, honest!

Although I am a qualified ref, a player and a coach I have to say that refereeing adults is an ass end of a job and I am not suprised at all that there is a shortage of refs. I much prefer to do mini soccer matches. I personally do not think refs are paid enough danger money.

I know little about this league, but from the outside looking in they are clearly doing themselves few favours. Those from the committee that have come on and posted I feel speak from the heart and should encouraged and supported. Although I only ref in emergencies, there are some teams I will not referee. That's the reality and Mr Redgate has it tough.

With regards to the small payment given to committee members on most leagues. It rarely covers expenses and it does not compensate for the amount of hours put into creating structured football opportunities for people. I spent one season on a committee and although it wasn't that bad to be fair, every Sunday evening I was on the phone all night dealing with queries and on several occasions had managers crying because they were struggling to make fixture dates. Little Ronaldo is away this weekend and he's scored 150 goals. Please postpone the match. Although the issues are different in adult football, I bet they get a fair share of grief.

The only way it will be sorted out is by openness and communication (both ways). There is too much distrust and the parent county FA should take positive action.

As for football administration support courses. I know Cambs FA runs these, and I suspect that Northants do, or at least would on demand.

[spec]

Sums them up, absolutely f*****g unbelievable.
Sport4all at least you tried, do they think they are that untouchable :lol:
Perhaps we are merely dismissed as fools but the greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes!!

[Back of the Net]

A totally Hypothetical question for you to consider!!


You are a registered Referee and you Referee midweek games that you are paid for - it's nice little 'earner' for you!
But you are also responsible for increasing the number of local referees (to be trained by the people you Referee for) and these potential new Refs would then be available to do the same work you currently do!

Would there be any conflict of your interests in this situation?

[Raph]

Especially when people are often complaining about your (alleged) barmy decisions midweek and the fact that you (allegedly) don't even bother to keep-up with play?

[carefree]

i don't think much has changed when it comes to refereeing certain games. i have always found that (ex hardman players) kelly sherwood,tommy flynn ( ermm) have always handled these so called teams well that other ref's fear to do. little reg parker never took any Cr*p and bob jones who always gave as good as he got 100% of the time (retired). if these games ( which i feel are a few maybe 1-2 each sunday morning) need a certain type of ref then why not make a club pay extra to get them stating the reason why is the way they act on a pitch,(£100 if they get AK 11) which then means that they come into the area where a certain type of ref is needed therefore pay the extra or don't play the game or quit the league. at junior football level referee's get £15 plus 15p per mile.

what does a sunday referee get? £20 (£10 an hour) plus mile charge? well up it for the bad boys to £30 - £35 (£15 -£17.50 an hour) maybe it will help them change there ways? referee's give fair play points don't they? well thats is how the league can judge where to send a certain level of ref to which game? i would be more then happy the referee the odd game for Lord Westwood if my kids team have an afternoon match which is more so then not.

i don't know if this has been covered but has the league asked for clubs to offer someone to ref if a proper ref can't by assigned?

[Back of the Net]

not sure who you're on about Napoli - mine was Hypothetical.....
Would there be a conflict of interests should that hypothetical situation arise??
It was something a 'friend' of mine mentioned over a beer the last night so I thought I'd pose the 'hypothetical' question on here to see what others thought....? I personally thought there would be (if that mad situaton ever arose!) because the new refs would steal your work?? but what do I know!

[eddie c s]

hypertheotical question..... if there was anyone who u had in mind then i cant see it myself , for 1 there aint enough refs so even if there was 20 more refs then there would still be 6 games without refs!

plus im not sure the odd 20 quid would make a difference to such a hyperthetical man in question . i seem to think he could make money elsewhere

not sure about raising the money paid to refs for certain games as thats like aquiring an asbo , could be seen as a trophy the way some teams like to dish out abuse . but i wouldnt be against payin the ref a flat fee of 30 quid . nice little earner for all refs who couldnt then complain about a bit of abuse ..... n all are forgetting that if the refs do get abuse, one they can send off offendin players , or send officials or supporters away from pitches .

[Andy]

not sure who you're on about Napoli - mine was Hypothetical.....
Would there be a conflict of interests should that hypothetical situation arise??
It was something a 'friend' of mine mentioned over a beer the last night so I thought I'd pose the 'hypothetical' question on here to see what others thought....? I personally thought there would be (if that mad situaton ever arose!) because the new refs would steal your work?? but what do I know!

i don't think there would be a conflict of interest at all. The issue at hand is that there aren't enough referees willing to do the job. Demand far outweighs supply at present so any referree getting appointments now will do so for the next few years.

I qualified in January and haven't started yet. Nor have any of the other 7 that qualified with me. Teams might think it a lot of money to pay for a ref, but it's not a lot of money not to get bitched and moaned at on a cold December morning by all and sundry.

Teams need to have a look at themselves as to why referees won't do the job any longer. It's not the League's fault if people are not willing to referee. They can't coerce them to do it.

I also think that Sunday football, in general, is on it's arse. As has been pointed out time and again, there used to be about 8 divisions in Peterborough on a Sunday morning. Spalding, where i used to be involved, used to have 4-5 and now makes do with about 14-16 teams in two divisions.

[Back of the Net]

Fair play mate... we need more refs so well done - I'm hoping to do my course in Nov - I'm pleased to say our team have had very few problems with officials and we try to help as much as possible on the day, I'd like to think none have issues with reffing us as a team!

The Hypothetical question was asked more to do with:
What if someone earnt money midweek from 7 a-side reffing but was also responsible for attracting refs to 11a-side and these extra refs may also ref midweek and take a slice of that market away??? who knows though, the 'friend' that asked me it may not know a thing about anything lol...

Sunday football may be sliding around the UK and lack of refs cant help, but if you add to that many clubs and people moaning about lack of communication etc between them and those that run their league then it's no wonder we're in trouble? some of these problems are easily sorted, they may not be the anwer but it would help a little perhaps?

it's great that many are actually talking about these issues at last instead of it all being swept aside and ignored - anything I've posted on (as my profile reads) is and always has been "JUST MY OWN OPINION!"

[carefree]

so what is it then? some saying not enough referee's! :soo:
other's saying referee's don't won't to do or take a certain match! :soo:


if both are correct then the league either kicks out another 6-8 teams or
agree's to allowing clubs to appoint their own offical if one is not giving to them and make it a rule so no away team can complain about it or use it as an excuse to call games off.

an answer is needed or its goodbye sunday morning football.

1.the league can't be held to blackmail by any referee who pick's what game he want to ref, they should be given a game and thats that.

2. there needs to be a back up plan in case a referee doesn't show.

3. clubs must know by wednesday 6pm if they have a referee for there game or not.

[Tommy Trophy]

I only refereed 2 seasons of Sunday football and to be honest it was not a great expereince compared to Saturdays which were fantastic.

Every team seems to have an idiot and you are left wondering what on earth you are doing there at times.

Therefore a radical solution that might be worked into something meaningful would be that refs mark sides for their sportsmanship / behaviour.

If at the end of the month their average mark is below a certain level it sets off the following sequence of events if the mark did not improve to agreed levels

Month 1 - Warning Letter
Month 2 - Appearance in front of League
Month 3 - 3 points deducted
Month 4 - Appearance in front of County FA
Month 5 - 6 points deducted
Month 6 - Thrown out of league

Every team with an average mark below a certain level has to reapply to the league for the following season.

If refs thought they were going to be supported by a rigid system of enforcement, maybe they would be encouraged to come out and play?

[Andy]

Not a bad idea, Tommy.

It should also be pointed out to those that have never refereed a game that it can be a lonely experience. A couple of innocent, wrong calls and there are potentially up to 50 people dishing out abuse and threats. Completely different to having 40000 people singing 'Who's the w@nker in the black?' as there are no police or stewards. I think it was only 2 seasons ago that a referee was severely assaulted in the King's Lynn or Wisbech Sunday league.

I love the game as much as the next man, but as it stands, refereeing isn't all that an attractive proposition in the main. This is why we have to look after those that ARE willing to do it.

[eddie c s]

nice suggestion apart from that it would not be consistant enough as all refs would mark differently .....

anyway i dont care if we dont have a ref as long as we know in advance as this saves people payin 4 piches n supporters n players gettin up early on a sunday morning n travelin 17 miles to thorney .

i wonder if u lot in the comeetee can have another meeting and let the official spokesman tell us if we at netherton ( and im sure them at mCcains) can have our money back!!!

[Sport4all]

Well at least the actions of a few writing in on this website has started a ball rolling, hopefully a football. Firstly I must advise you that the statements I am about to make have no bearing on the PSMFL or its officials. These views are entirely my own.
Firstly I hear future referee's quote "haven't done a game yet" and ex referee "did it for a couple of years" putting forward some reasonable idea's (in my opinion).
Why not charge the trouble makers extra to get a ref £40 might make them think, not for long, but it might.
Ref's marking and censure by the league/FA. Why not If the "bad boys" lose the league because of a 6 pt penalty at the end of a season, well done the ref who reports them.
I know the league send out representatives to watch some of thes games and they do report back and some of the things they report are appalling.
Perhaps the "Problem" matches should be put on somewhere that has a reasonable security and only 1 pitch, Fulbridge Rd for instance, Thorney as another, and then ensure the league presence is there for the 90 minutes and a little while after. You notice I haven't mentioned FOCUS which is ideal, the problem being some of the problem sides are already banned from there.
Can I ask all of you who have noted down some good ideas to formally suggest them by letter to the committee, then ask to come along and discuss your idea. You can send them if you wish to me or the Secretary or the Chairman Paul Clarke.
Final thought someone flashed :mnn: (careful) to me in the pub at lunchtime, write to all the refs in the area still capable of refereeing to a reasonable standard, and of course still registered, and ask them to give the league 3 or 4 weeks of their Sunday mornings over the next 6 weeks. Some may find they will enjoy it others may hate it but do a bloody good job. But we need to try something. We need your idea's. If most teams put forward someone to do the weekend course that Paul Redgate is trying to set up and are willing to ref, say 1 game in 5 and play the other 4 weeks. Our problems suddenly lessen by a large percentage. But the league do need help (in my opinion)

[Back of the Net]

But why in writing?
Why cant the ideas just be lifted straight off here (we know you're reading them!!!) and just bloody well implement them if you think they'll work??
It's 2007 and we all live high pressure and fast paced lives, penning a letter and awaiting response is just too arcane - lift the ideas from here and discuss them between yourselves - if they're good ideas then use them - IT'S EASY!!!

By the way it's not all doom and gloom lads... many refs enjoy reffing Sunday football and the majority of clubs/players etc are very well behaved and share good banter with the opposition and refs alike,
So lets not make out we're all tough people to deal with and tough teams to ref etc!
A few teams may have a rep of being tough to ref but then again on the flip side I could name 2 or 3 'choice' refs that I would rather avoid on a Sunday morning if possible (but I wont lol) but they're allocated to us so we have to accept them!!!!

[jb]

i dont think this was helped by having rob windle front a recruitment drive for referees in queensgate the other week. fair play to him for doing it but you'll struggle to find anyone in peterborough who'd give him the time of day!

[Ross]

I still enjoy reffing sunday morning football even after being punched in the face and having a player pull a knife on another player. I even reffed those teams again afterwards

[spec]

Fcuk me Ross, you ENJOY that !!! Fair play to you mate :lol: Were you hoping it was going to happen again then next time, you ought to get your misses to be a bit more adventurous in the bedroom :lol:

[Cham1]

Yesterday as a voice from the inside, so to speak, I put a statement out on Sportstalk regarding the problems PSMFL are having at present.
I am advised by members of the committee in higher positions than myself that
1. they do not speak or explainn themselves on a website such as this.
2. The PSMFL have a spokesman from whom all releases should go
3 Anyone other than the spokesperson should advise the people they are discussing matters with that their points of view are strictly their own and are not sanctioned by the PSMFL committee

Therefore I wish to advise anyone reading or perusing this site that any comments/views made by myself that have anything to do with the running/organisation of the league are my own.

John I don't think anybody felt that you or Paul were answerring on behalf of the league, although it is refreshing to get your personal perspectives on the subject. What disappoints me is that comments/discussion on this forum are far too often discounted as purely being abuse or moaning about the league. As BOTN says this is the 21st century and surely there is nothing wrong with ideas discussed on this forum being taken to the league meeting. Perhaps the Press officer of the league could do it? after all it is not rocket science and there would be no fee payable. People on here haven't got two heads we are perfectly normal people, who care about our great game. We must remind ourselves that we are only looking after the game for future generations to enjoy.

[pmcvey]

Has anybody thought the way forward for the refereeing crisis is to introduce cloning of referees???

Maybe if the referees in Peterborough allowed themselves to be used for medical science there would be enough to go around.

Seriously, Paul Redgate has a task that I dont envy - finding enough referees to go around. As many of you know I am cutting down the amount of games I do on a Sunday to virtually none (although Paul has talked me into a game this weekend)

My reason is that I spend most of Saturday travelling around the countryside, leaving my house at 11/12ish and not getting home til 7/8ish. Now add a Sunday game to that and thats the weekend basically gone.

Also, if there are any games I am allocated to midweek then I could theoretically pick up an injury (would annoy the FA immensely)

There is no ideal solution to the shortage of referees although I'm sure a "referee tree" would be a great Christmas present to PSMFL this year.

Ok = rant over (i need my medication now)

[SportsSec]

[What disappoints me is that comments/discussion on this forum are far too often discounted as purely being abuse or moaning about the league. As BOTN says this is the 21st century and surely there is nothing wrong with ideas discussed on this forum being taken to the league meeting. Perhaps the Press officer of the league could do it? after all it is not rocket science and there would be no fee payable. People on here haven't got two heads we are perfectly normal people, who care about our great game. We must remind ourselves that we are only looking after the game for future generations to enjoy.

[/quote]
Does this apply to all leagues Mark?

[jingle bells]

This has been confirmed by a friend who was present at the meeting.

The league committee was approached with a short term and long term solution back in April/May. Mike Divers (Office) had organised through a contact of his for "Living Sport" a National Lottery funded programme to attend a meeting with the PSMFL committee. Living Sport was offering financial support to improve football in the local community with an emphasis on recruiting/retaining referees. Living Sport had over £200,000 available to start projects. I'll let you guess what the league did about it. Absolutley nothing!! There was no response from the league, having also being nudged a couple of times for a response on where they would like to take things next. No-one from PSMFL contacted Living Sport until a day before the AGM after clubs wanted to know what was happening. Also at the meeting a certain individual (guess who ?) was by all accounts extremely rude and against the idea of assistance from Living Sport. He repeatley talked throughout the meeting - even left the room during the presentation at one point and was also heard by more than one individual to utter the words "fly by night organisation". Needless to say Living Sport have withdrawn any offer as far as i'm aware to assist with the leagues problems. I believe the money is being used elsewhere. This is an opportunity that Peterborough Sunday football has missed. I for one was extremely annoyed that this has happened. The league was warned that this would happen (lack of games/refs etc). They did nothing about it. Surely we should be calling for the League Secretary to resign. This is an awfull mess - we need change or else I can see this turning into a sinking ship!!!

[Back of the Net]

I was at that very meeting with the PSMFL, The Office and Emap, plus the chap from Living Sport (we basically brought them together!).
To be honest I dont know how much money LivingSport actually had available or were going offer (if any) and I cant say for sure if any deal would have worked out, but what I can confirm is that the guy from Living Sport wanted to talk to the league committee to see if something could be done...
The details someone posted above are fairly spot on - the guy was pretty much ignored and I for one was VERY embarrassed when I heard a certain someone mutter under his breath "fly-by-night organisation!" and then walk out for some unknown reason whilst the guy was speaking! now even if he had to leave for a minute surely a polite explanation of why or a simple back in a tick would be in order???
I am not surprised at all that the LivingSport guy pulled his offer of at least talking about it altogether and has taken his business elsewhere!

[jingle bells]

Well there seems there were a few people there to witness the events. I am absolutely gobsmacked that this happened. Surely the Living Sport guy saw what was going on. i'm surprised he didn't just get up and walk out - I would have!! This is a joke. The committee represent us clubs and this is what they are doing!! To be honest i do hear and not sure how true it is but there is only one person running that committee ?? And it is either done his way or not all..

Unbelieveable!!!!

[Raph]

I must add that I was at the meeting too and the attitude and disdain shown towards somebody who ACTUALLY WANTED TO HELP AND OFFER THEIR INITIAL CONSULTANCY FREE OF CHARGE was shocking to say the least. It seemed to be a case of "This is my special club and you're not invited with your new ideas"

[eddie c s]

bloomin hell , all i want is a phone call to say we aint got a ref so i dont have 2 travel 2 thorney for a game which was never goin 2 be a game lol . but i suppose if u cant even get that then we have no hope with anythin else .

[carefree]

guys the best thing to do is vote him off at the next AGM, i don't think that he is the problem when it comes to the referee problem. plus remember that most member clubs voted him in.

yes i agree that if he did mumble under his breath in an attempt for others to go against what the guy from living sport was trying to do for the league then that is bang out of order and a very childish thing to do.

to make things simple and ensure the survival off the league to things must be done.

1. clubs must know by wednesday 6pm if they have a referee.

2. the league must allow the home club to find a willing body to do the job if a ref is not availible for their game. the home clubs choice but if needed they can ask the away team if they can't find one.

these 2 simple things will ensure that more game will get played.

[carefree]

p.s eddie, it would seem that what happened netherton v mccanns wasn't the leagues fault and im sure most likely won't happen again. in this instance it was the referee to blame no one else.

maybe the league should get referee's to agree at the start of any season that if they fail to contact any club if there is a problem with them getting to a game that they or the league should be responsable to pay cost ect. (as is normal for any club). im sure all members clubs would agree to this as the funds in the bank belongs to them. maybe someone should ask for this to be included in next seasons rule book.

[Back of the Net]

I dont think for one minute everyone blames one individual for lack of refs,
it's a nationwide problem and yeah the options you mention above seem to be good ideas to me!!!

But I do think the wider point could be that if one person can do that to someone from Livingsport
(who just wanted to at least speak about helping increase refs, with lottery money to spend!),
then what else could be going on behind closed doors that isn't reported and is perhaps hindering progression/communication etc???
If we as an organisation (PSMFL) snatched that offer from LivingSport and it went well, we could have eased the referee problem slightly? But we've seemingly lost that offer for now!

The thing is it's not just that one thing with Livingsport or refs is it....
How many others (refs/players/clubs/potential committee members etc) may have been put off helping us out of this mess by that kind of attitude :soo:

My guess is a fair few!

[jb]

all we keep getting is this "it's a national problem" which is fair enough but thats not a reason to allow it to carry on is it!? even if the rest of the country had too many ref's and we were the only league struglling we'd still be in the same boat. whilst there is an excuse like this to be used it wont get sorted.

[Raph]

Time for change

[carefree]

im in total agreement with you BOTN, i wasn't saying that anyone was blaming one person, but if i used proper grammer then maybe my postings would be clearer to all reading them, sorry peeps council kid schooling here .

[Cham1]

What disappoints me is that comments/discussion on this forum are far too often discounted as purely being abuse or moaning about the league.
Does this apply to all leagues Mark?

It was a general comment and yes I guess it could apply to all leagues. What must not be forgotten is that football is a about opinions and although I accept that some of the comments on here are negative an awful lot are positive,constructive and correct.

[Ross]

Fcuk me Ross, you ENJOY that !!! Fair play to you mate :lol: Were you hoping it was going to happen again then next time, you ought to get your misses to be a bit more adventurous in the bedroom :lol:

Thats what reffing in Croydon is about, and oh yeah, your a sod!

[spec]

:lol: Yes, i agree with you Ross, i am indeed a sod

[Back of the Net]

well here's a turn up for the books....

I was asked on Weds via EMAIL - yes via EMAIL to join the PSMFL committee by the current Secretary, I spoke with the Chairman last night and he confirmed it wasn't a wind up hahahaha....
Anyway thought I'd let the lads that read PST know that I've accepted, there's no particular role offered as yet (as I understand it!) as they just want younger people on board who are involved with running a club and hopefully someone that can put accross 'our side of the story' so to speak!
got to attend their once a month meetings and get involved with things, so I most certainly will be bringing ideas and discussions that we have on here to the table - not specific incidents of course but ideas and suggestions in general, I get to vote and propose things so seeing as you know I read this and 'get involved' with debate etc nows your chance to air your views and rest assured they will be discussed and just maybe acted on???? I will try.

By the way - I WILL NOT be asking for ANY sort of payment and am only doing this as I was asked and it's in the hope I may be able to suggest things etc to help in any ways possible! I wont suddenly be changing my mind on all the things we've discussed previously either - we are in a mess and in my view things MUST change!

right on with my Birthday :pty:

[Raph]

God help us all Sean, haha!

[Andy]

Keep your friends close......

Only joking. Nice one, BOTN. Your passion should serve you well.

[spec]

Won't see you on here anymore then :lol:

[carefree]

now thats a positive step by the league nice one for joining the committee.

we are not here to reck the league and we all simpley want things done correctley so all clubs can play each week without problems.

so just before you lock this topic mark i would just like to throw this in in reply to one of sport4all's postings in this debate.

without you saying the name of lord westwood i know it is clear that is who you were pointing your finger at when you said about clubs that are banned from focus.

let me point out i played and managed lord westwood for 10 seasons and every season you lot moaned about our support which in the early days was massive 70 - 100 each sunday. the league reported us on a number of times about unruley behaviour and drinking on the sidelines.
in all that time there was not one incident involving drink or anything else, but you all still tried to make things as difficult as possible for us. and you still have a little dig with the focus thing. remind me did the club get reported to county about this?? erm NO! and it was out of order telling us we had to play at focus in the first place as our home ground is bretton woods which boarders westwood.

SO CUT OUT THE DIGS AND PLAY BALL!

[Raph]

Rumours have it, that Back Of The Net is going to start answering posts on here via letter and I have heard that he has bought Linguaphone's version of the FA rule book on CD to listen to whilst driving from FA meetings to Lidl !! Only kidding, let's hope we can all come together and fix this as a League, Players, Officials, Committee AND Secretary all together.

:lol:

[Back of the Net]

I'm penning my replies now and they'll be posted out (no stamp of course) 1st thing next year :lol: :lol:

Spec, you should know me better by now, I'll still be waffling rubbish on here regardless of what meetings/committees I sit with, if they try to stop that then I'm affraid their group isn't for me!
I've put a sort of disclaimer as my signature on here though, so it's clear anything I say should of course be treated as 'just my own opinion' etc

Oh and Ralph (Napoli), The BBC have just reported an Ugly F*cker is on the loose and are offering a £1million reward for info on his where-abouts leading to capture!
You know I need the money mate, so come on where are ya? :lol:

[Raph]

Listen Olive Oil, Bluto and Popeye are looking for you - I told them to go down to the Embankment where you'll now be 'warming up' a prominent former Peterborough referee on Monday, Thursday and Sunday nights! :lol:

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youth of today have no respect.... no wonder we have no refs hahahahaha

[Raph]

I apologise Mr Gaffer - although I had to come back with something! Can't make your :beer: tonight, but happy birthday geezer!
:pty:

[eddie c s]

well i dont undersatand why anyone would not like the lord westwood support , ive loved playin against them ( i loved it 5 yrs ago takin a throwin and gettin a can of super tennants open in my face!! just wish he would of then offered me a swig of it . lol) and the cheerin and chants all make for quality entertainment .

we love playin against teams with good support as we like a bit of support ourselves , what did the tea lady at rothwell say to us in the northants cup final? oh i have been doin this for 25 years and have never heard such a great atmosphear with people singing n chanting . thats the attitude i like

i say let football be the winner.

p.s still waiting for our money back from last week . get on the case BOTN . look at earlier posting to what we reqiure or do we invoice it straight to u BOTN ? lol . or do we have 2 wait for the spokesman?

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Eddie...
my 1st meeting with them is mid October I think, so I've no idea what will happen in your particular case until at least then, plus it's not my call, they vote as a group I believe!

If I were you, I'd send a request direct to the Chairman asking for some sort of compensation and detail how much you want back and what that covers... email him, call him, or of course pen a letter?
If you want to send it to me, then PM me it on here and I'll email it to him directly for you???

If you dont officialy ask then nothing will come back barr an apology that is!

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Oh and ............


http://www.leavejosealone.com/holymoly

[Nipper]

As the league stands I do beleive Racing252 are top having played 2 won 2 so unless the league sorts it out,declare us the winners by default!!! Any objections!!??? :soo:

[boot boy]

can you make sure we have ref this week botn thanks cheers mate :lol: :lol:

[Back of the Net]

Seeing as we nicked Wales and Lomax from you this season it's the least I can do :lol:

seriously though, I wont be joining the committee until middle of October, so until then I have no say or vote or anything sorry lads....
But if you want me to take anything to the meeting and voice your opinions etc then I'm happy for you to PM me on here...

[jb]

now thats a positive step by the league nice one for joining the committee.

we are not here to reck the league and we all simpley want things done correctley so all clubs can play each week without problems.

so just before you lock this topic mark i would just like to throw this in in reply to one of sport4all's postings in this debate.

without you saying the name of lord westwood i know it is clear that is who you were pointing your finger at when you said about clubs that are banned from focus.

let me point out i played and managed lord westwood for 10 seasons and every season you lot moaned about our support which in the early days was massive 70 - 100 each sunday. the league reported us on a number of times about unruley behaviour and drinking on the sidelines.
in all that time there was not one incident involving drink or anything else, but you all still tried to make things as difficult as possible for us. and you still have a little dig with the focus thing. remind me did the club get reported to county about this?? erm NO! and it was out of order telling us we had to play at focus in the first place as our home ground is bretton woods which boarders westwood.

SO CUT OUT THE DIGS AND PLAY BALL!

i used to love playing for and against the westwood back in the day with all those fans and if playing against it was always my most anticipated game of the season. that kind of thing just doesn't happen anymore at the westwood or elsewhere which is a real shame as it was fantastic playing with a lively atmosphere. as you've said al there was never any unsavory incidents to speak of either yet the league always had it in for us.

[jb]

well i dont undersatand why anyone would not like the lord westwood support , ive loved playin against them ( i loved it 5 yrs ago takin a throwin and gettin a can of super tennants open in my face!! just wish he would of then offered me a swig of it . lol) and the cheerin and chants all make for quality entertainment .

we love playin against teams with good support as we like a bit of support ourselves , what did the tea lady at rothwell say to us in the northants cup final? oh i have been doin this for 25 years and have never heard such a great atmosphear with people singing n chanting . thats the attitude i like

i say let football be the winner.

p.s still waiting for our money back from last week . get on the case BOTN . look at earlier posting to what we reqiure or do we invoice it straight to u BOTN ? lol . or do we have 2 wait for the spokesman?

good to know my big mouth came in good use for once that night at rothwell :lol:

[Sport4all]

Before the weekend comes and you all vanish off the face of the earth until kick off time on Sunday, you can't quote me on this but I think the PSMFL have a full quota of referee's to cover the fixtures this weekend, so I expect to hear some cheery voices when you phone in your results on time as unusual.
BOTN read your league minutes so you know what time to get there - don't be late
Carefree - LW may be ONE of the teams barred from using FOCUS but I don't think you are the only ones by a long stretch of the imagination.
The council have put out orders banning alcohol from playing fields especially when there are multi pitches - mainly because of children as young as 7 year old play Sundays as well and it doesn't set a very good example. In my opinion teams, club officials and councils who can stop players/club officials and supporters eefing and blinding whilst children deserve all the credit they can get. After all would you want your kids listening to and seeing that happen. It's no good having a chip on your shoulder in football one day all protestations of innocence come back and bite you on the RRRs. A little respect for the people around you does go a long way

[eddie c s]

well i am glad to see 'hopefully' there will be a full quota of games this week which we would all be very greatful for , but as for cheery voices , well i would not expect that for somethin which should of been happening 3 weeks ago .

[carefree]

had that one thrown at us for the last 16 seasons sport4all and again i'll say our job is to run a football team and not to police the sidelines.

i know that clubs are responsable for their fans and i have been in front off the league committee plenty off time with the same answer.
county wasn't interested and accepted that we can't stop hords of people from doing what they won't. you are more then welcome to come and try if you like :soo:

if an offence is being committed then call the police to sort it was always my answer.

would you or any other person walk up to a large group of beer swigging lads enjoying themselves and full off song and tell them to p1ss off???

[carefree]

p.s kids as young as 11 who proberley drink and smoke more then the westwood boys :lol:

. 6-10 year olds play saturday mornings. correct facts please lol

[mattsedd]

have to say that westwood away is my favourite fixture of the season. There support is brilliant and anyone that moans about it needs there heads examining!" superb atmosphere.

We try to do our best at Netherton, not quite there, but we think we do ok, especially for the big games!

now here's an interesting one......

when we won the Northants senior cup 16 months ago, our support on the night (several hundred of them, baloons, megaphones, chanting, ) was described by the tea lady as "the best atmosphere she's heard in 20 years whilst working at rothwell.

we were dead proud, and it spurred us from behind to go on and win the damned thing.

I have since heard that a certain league official described it as an embarassment to the league.

WE found this thoroughly bemusing.

We were more than a little miffed when "team of the year " award went to racing 252 for losing the minor northants cup . not to the team who won the senior northants cup for peterborough for the first time in 10 years?

hmmmm...

also, when Netherton were due to play westwood in last years league cup final, we were bemused to see that 6 uniformed police officers had been embarrasingly called out, by a league official to "police" any trouble between the 32 supporters that got up. never mind the fact that westwood had been kicked out and replaced by woodston!

it was ridiculous! has there ever EVER been an incident between Netherton and Westwood that has lead anyone to think the police muight be needed? we're the posh boys! we wouldn't know what to do in a fight! probably run home and drink tea or something.

ridiculous.

big supportive singing crowds DO NOT MEAN TROUBLE (necessarily.)

[carefree]

so there you go, not everyone is a killjoy! come to think of it no football team on a sunday seems to mind the westwood supporters at all, in fact they look forward to playing us 'JUST TO HAVE A BIT OF 2 WAY BANTER AND A GIGGLE'.

CARRY ON GENTS :pty:

[Mick B]

Bloody Hell, I go away on a fortnight's holiday and when I return I find that Sean is taking over the world :lol: Seriously it's a step in the right direction. Unfortunately, as Mr. Flynn will tell you you get sceptics saying that you are showing bias towards your own club, some people will never be pleased. Mind you Sean shouldn't you have been elected ? :lol:

[Raph]

I would've voted for Dave Hancock :gun: on the committee - he would do wonders for the referee shortage, haha!

:lol:

[Back of the Net]

hahaha hello mate...
only agreed to join their meetings as they vote you on in the short-term and then you have to be put forward at the next AGM to make it all official etc.. I may very well not make it until then if things dont work out..
As I said only doing it cause I was asked to help and only if they actually want that help and will agree to change how they work to improve on communication etc with all of us... could be a short stay hahaha!

anyway Mick, you have my vote to join and lead them if you'd do it?

[Mick B]

Something I might think about when I get old and daft, perhaps in about six months then. :lol:

[Raph]

Mick for President! :lol:

[JNE]

Al, as you, me and everyone in local football knows, the biggest game on a sunday morning is Westwood vs Jubilee!!

We get more supporters than any other game in p'boro over a weekend and that includes the UCL sides as well. I remember over 200 people being at one game at bretton park, party poppers, streamers, dancers and a goal scoring pitch invasion to name but a few highlights!! :pty:


Hopefully this year we will meet in a cup final at chestnut/Focus as that will defo leave them stumped!!

As for my experiences, always been great despite the abuse I get from all westwood lads but love sticking it up them by scoring/winning. As for the fans - simply one word - BRILLANT!! Setchy with his dog, mick with his tattoos and songs, coxy flashing his money and betting with anyone that will, quite simply brillant!! When these two teams stop playing then god help the Sunday league as it is already in demise and in the doldrums and can not afford to lose the 2 biggest teams!! Sorry netherton!!

[eddie c s]

no need to say sorry , u 2 have been at the top far longer than we have ... u been there since we were makin our way from division 7!

just a quick thought about the drinking .... someone who i know made a good point . he says people go along to watch rugby in peterborough and drink on sidelines and there is nothing but a good atmosphear . i think drinking is sometimes frowned upon for no reason lol. drink is not the devil its made out to be . think drink should be praised a bit more.

loos like the draw 4 1 of the cups looks like u 2 may meet in the final . but dont think for a min that things will be won by the top 2 ... or netherton . season only just started and seem to be a good 4 or 5 sides who may fancy there chances this year .

[Andy]

The difference between drinking at the rugby, though, is that it's generally done at a 2 or 3pm kick off, not 10 or half 10! I also think most of the council pitches are alcohol exclusion zones.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just why a few pairs of knickers might get twisted over it.

[Back of the Net]

Well I for one would rlish the chance to play against the likes of Westwood and JNE etc, their fans are to be applauded and it makes for a great game to be remembered by most involved!
Beer can be a problem but so can lack of refs or no communication etc so fingers shouldn't be pointed at the clubs before everything else is in order really should they???

change is on the way though in one form or another - P Redgate resigned as refs Secretary (staying on till replacement found) and Ken Gilby retired from committee.... if only someone else went instead eh hahahaha.

I for one wish P Redgate and Ken would re-consider and stay!!!

[Back of the Net]

Just got an email from the PSMFL Secretary regards my message as above!! it slates the fact I talk about such things as people resigning from the committee and trys to say that they only did so because we talk about them on this site.....

what a crock of sh*t....
Paul Redgate said he was leaving because he wants to work in other areas of football and cant dedicate the time... he's also been the refs Secretary and we all know how well that's gone dont we??? is any of that that our fault Mr Secretary?
Ken retires as treasurer but has not stated why... I wish he'd stay as no one has EVER slated him or his sterling work and it would be great for the PSMFL if he'd re-consider and stay...

I'm emailing Ken and others this posting so they can see we do support ALL the committee except 1 person as far as I can see on this website, so lets hope the Secretary stops telling them we;re against them because that's way off the mark, we're mostly just against him hahahahaha...

my disclaimer is gone for some reason??? so all comments are just my own opinion as usual!

[mattsedd]

the day when Netherton are regarded as the big boys will be a very sad day.

we prefer being underdogs and are quite happy for westwood and JNE to consider themselves the big boys.

makes the trophy winning much sweeter.

:beer:

[carefree]

westwood never really won much, runners up 5 seasons when i was there. and of late the pfa cup. so big boys??? its about the buzz on a sunday morning and the love for your local pub team! and the cult following, setchy and his :dog: more :beer: and more :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: then the afternoon party :pty:

[Back of the Net]

After a few choice emails swapped between the current PSMFL Secretary and myself with the rest of committee copied in I have just declined their lovely offer of joining them!
Why anyone in their right mind would want to work with someone like him I'd never know....
He's been in charge of our leagues for 5 years (remember the plan?) and we've lost club after club and seen the standards drop every year - only our bank balance looks healthy - god knows what they think they're doing with that because it's our bloody money!

Anyhow, I've told him exactly what I think and copied the others in 1st hand, he's gone to the press (story Tues I think) trying to say that all our problems are other peoples fault and none of it has anything to do with him, it's all us on here if you can believe that! Im gonna leave em too it!

Right onto the Northants cup.. come on the Boro sides!

[eddie c s]

lol sounds like a lovely day at the office then. must of been the shortest stint at bein a board memebr that!

hmmm i love this site , all it is for is for people to put there thoughts against others but looks like people in higher powers want to go to the press and blame us ?? we have no power we just turn up and play games ( if there are enough refs)

sounds like a right funny episode though . wish i was a fly on the wall

[Back of the Net]

well I've kept all the emails so I may just post a few on here :lol:
nah I wont do that as the committee are copied in and thats not fair on them - I 100% support the rest of em...
And yeah it was funny I guess, basically the Secretary went off on one blaming anyone else but himself for the sh*t situation the league is in,
Of course I was mainly to blame closely followed by 2 other clubs and they were followed by this site, the Iraq war, Jose Mourinho, World peace etc!

Anyone but himself as leader of our league set-up is responsible for the state it's in apperently.... 5 years with him at the helm and his plans etc and the best he's got for the leagues shrinking and quality going down is "it's all your fault." YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP!

I'm gonna leave it to em as I couldn't be ars*d being in the same room as him to be honest!

[carefree]

i think you expected that. as soon as breastmale quits the better off all will be. PM me the 2 teams he is blaming please love to know who he has picked.

[Raph]

I blame BOTN for everything - foot & mouth, BSE, HIV, world hunger, Martin Keown's face, Will Young, War, my ban, the state of the PSMFL and also the lack of fit women in Peterborough.

Hang your head in shame BOTN! :lol:

[Back of the Net]

I blame BOTN for everything - foot & mouth, BSE, HIV, world hunger, Martin Keown's face, Will Young, War, my ban, the state of the PSMFL and also the lack of fit women in Peterborough.

Hang your head in shame BOTN! :lol:

hahaha Raph - I'll take the state of the PSMFL as the Secretary insists that's my fault so it must be - lack of fit women is fair enough as they're generally all at mine!
But the rest is your fault, especially Will Young!

See you tomorrow! I'll do my best to prove your 0-3 prediction wrong :gun:

[Raph]

I'm a little under the weather - so tell your team-mates to pump the ball down my left or right wing! :sad:

[Back of the Net]

Check it out.....

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sundayfootball/Titman-to-resign-as-Sunday.3249718.jp

[Back of the Net]

hahahaha you just gotta love the general public...
someone (and no it wasnt me - I'd do it on here!) posted the following on the Evening Telegraph website following Titmans article:


Josh P,Peterborough 02/10/2007 13:42:50
One can always hope that N Titman looks to develop football in either Italy, Germany, or France. Then England will have a chance of winning the World Cup!!!!


......

[Big G]

Good

[jb]

lets hope things do start to improve once he actually leaves as he is most peoples biggest reason for the leagues demise. if it doesn't improve there will no longer be anyone to blame. obviously if it does improve the many critics will be proved correct!

[Back of the Net]

I think the damage and trust etc will take some time to repair and build up again perhaps? :soo:
The committee will seriously need our help also because they'll be short-staffed for a time so anyone with spare hours to give could maybe contact Paul Clarke?

[carefree]

it'll be a drawn out thing like when Tony Blair said he was stepping down!


BOTN are you and the 2 others mentioned in tonights ET going to stay on the committee now? well thats when and if BREASTMALE quits.

[spec]

Get him out now and start rebuilding, only he could come out with that nonsense about coaching abroad, get a reality check man :mnn:

[Back of the Net]

Al - I'm sure it will be a long and protracted retirement from the Secretary, I just hope he doesnt do too much damage between now and when he goes, no doubt my club and the 2 others mentioned (at least) will be in the firing line for a few parting shots :gun:

3 of us were asked on committee and just 2 of us refused, myself because I dont want to be in the same room as the current Secretary, Mike from the Office FC because he works in London during the week plus new baby on the way next month and I believe Mandy from Limetree was actually going to accept their offer but the Secretary didn't wait for her reply before telling the press she had said no just to make out none of us wanted to help!! (another blunder!)....

I've emailed the Chairman and said if he wants any help at all then I'd do what I can but only after the current Secretary is gone, I'll leave that offer open to them and I think Mandy from Limetree would also help if asked again by them but thats between her and them I suppose!

[carefree]

breastmale is a snake. he should go now but no doubt he is looking for the other committee members to support him and maybe follow suit and quit. maybe then he will be happy once he has totally distroyed the sunday morning league.

BE A MAN AND QUIT NOW!

[carefree]

P.S or better still stay on and change your ways. can't you see your ways and poor attitude towards member clubs is cr4p and wrong?

stop being a big :bby: and become a real man and support all the efforts being made or offered to better the league. keep your little mumblings to yourself and only do what ALL are agreed too. you will get full support and respect if you do this.

the point is this: ITS NOT A WITCH HUNT OF ONE PERSON. just an attempt to make this a better and enjoyable league and if that means that persons need to be replaced then thats how it should be. .

[Back of the Net]

Well said indeed!

[Raph]

I like that he has said that he "streamlined" the Leagues :lol: the teams that quit because of the mess we call PSMFL are the one who streamlined it by leaving! :bst:

[Back of the Net]

Well we've just had news that in my view improves things no end (IE: Secretary resigns!!).
Yes we lack refs and the trust/communication needs rebuilding plus more teams attracted etc But we do still have many great individuals and teams/mangers involved so maybe we can move on quickly once he's gone??
If he really does have the interests of the PSMFL and it's clubs at heart then he'll do the right thing and leave quickly/quitely whilst ensuring his replacement gets the support they need - In my opinion none of that is likely to happen so we'll have to support the rest of the committee as best we can till he does finally 'HOP IT'.

Oh and I just spoke to Mandy from Limetree, just to confirm - She's attending the Committee meeting on the 16th Oct to see how things go and may join to help out, good on her and I hope she does join, so we get at least 1 'CLUB' person on board for now till the current Secretary leaves.

[SportsSec]

Irrespective of personal opinions, it is important that EVERYONE makes thing's work!
Players, Match Officials, Team Officials, League Committee

Once this blame culture is resolved, it would be nice to concentrate on the 'beautiful game'

[Raph]

I blame the above post.

[Raph]

:lol: Only kidding - will be good to get the League up to full strength with everyone pulling together and actually wanting to play! :lol:

[Mick B]

BY WANTING TO PLAY DOES THAT MEAN NO TEMPER TANTRUMS, NO STUPID RASH TACKLES AND NO INSANE 10 MINUTE SPELLS ? :mad: In all seriousness if the main "culprit" is gone then everyone had better pull together to make it work otherwise we all are going to look right muppets. Understandibly Rome wasn't built in a day(I don't suppose Napoli was either) so we have to have some patience. We have to establish confidence, belief and trust again. Lets hope Sunday football can imporove and the leagues go on to become stronger and stronger. :blh:

[Harbs]

wow i thought Napoli was just a name!

[eddie c s]

this surely must be the record 4 the longest post in history . i take all credit of course as all i wanted from it was rembursin for our travels as there were no refs..... n its lead to the forseen resignation of the secretary with this site bein blamed lol!

[Mick B]

Remind me again Harbs, which school did you go to? :stpd: Time this thread was finished Mr. Moderator.

[jb]

oh dear mick i think you mean naples!

[carefree]

yes lads lets move on and start a new thread about how we can help the sunday morning league become a success.

Mr Titman has gone (kind of) but im sure all will agree that we wouldn't mind him staying on as long as he doesn't want to be the old Dictator that he was.

but it has to be said that the committe need to be stronger and stand up for themselves and the member clubs.

[Harbs]

no idea what its called these days Mick, we definately had Geography as a GCSE. but i didn't like it.

[Ross]

this one has run its course. closed