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BLUE BOYS
04-09-2007, 18:25
what a week, last saturday(1st sept) i was told by mick birch that after not being able to sort the coates proposal for our sunday morning footy side. he would pesonally put the cash up for us to carry on, i spoke to fred johnson on the tuesday to inform him of this and that i wanted confirming exactly how much the league wanted.i had no returned call but did have a royal mail card put through my door on thursday saying they had an item for coates fc. without the corect postage,i had the letter sent to me by paying the postage funny how i sat to read the letter informing that the comittee had chosen to throw us out of the league and not give us the week to put through the paperwork with our new backer. what made it even better was when the e t dropped on the mat and i read that there was no need to panic they were waiting for relevent paperwork from certain teams and normallaity would resume. i am not sure if we are the only team to have been thrown out,i no there were deadlines that should of been met but after the first option didnt come of surley we could of been given a week to get everything in order. tottaly gutted as enjoyed last season and was looking foward to this year
If they picked the bloody phone up and spoke to you man to man instead of writing letters and using the post you would have had 2 weeks to sort it out let alone the 1 you needed.
Laughed my nuts off when I read the secretary had put that this was the norm at the start of the season, IF THEY ARE USED TO IT HAPPENING ALL THE TIME THEN WHY DON'T THEY PREPARE THEMSELVES BETTER.
Telephone = sorted straight away, you get an answer there and then
Email = back and forward (if everyone responds sorted in a day)
Letter = If delivered on time (First class, 3-4 days at the moment due to the backlog of the strike still affecting, second class 4-6 days same reason, if you don't pay the correct postage anything up to 2 weeks and thats if the recipient is prepared to pay the difference and believe me 42% don't), letter up to a fortnight and you are kicked out the league.
Perhaps that's what they wanted Blue Boys, you would never know with them
Someone had better put in an application for a Whittlsey based team for next season.
If anyone wants to manage a team then we (Coates) will happily discuss the support required. But lets not all go off on tengents and apply for more than one team.
They should have used a private mailing firm, hey Spec!
Never turned business away in my life but would have to make an execption in this case especially when they can't even pay for a stamp :lol:
Maybe a few people should have supported EMAP/Hampton/The Office when they proposed a change in the PSMFL organisation at the AGM.
It's all well and good complaining now - but if everyone had voted together then the Leage would have had to have taken notice.
Can't remember Sunday football being at this low an ebb for the time I have been playing.
:soo:
Never mind the 5 year plan must be about to bear fruit soon :lol:
bluestar
05-09-2007, 12:35
I Don't normally get involved in any debate about Sunday morning football, and after this little episode, is it any wonder why!-However with the decision that has been made to turf the lads out I just had to add my twopenny worth.
After hearing Mick and the guys mention two weeks ago that certain people, who shall remain nameless ( but you know who you are!!!), had promised backing only to let them down - I was more than happy to provide any funds needed to get them up and running, and would have confirmed that verbally or in writing to any league officials should I have been contacted, it ain't rocket science, and they obviously read this site!!!
To then get a text from Mick, confirming that they had been thrown out confounds and deplores me - Dont profess to having knowledge of any previous discussions that Mick may have had with the league officials but clearly from what Mick has already stated the question has to be why why the hell haven't these guys offered their advice and support to Mick, in what clearly is his first venture into running a Sunday football side - If they have any modicum of an interest in local football, they should be encouraging new guys and one of the responsibilities that comes with the role of committee member, surely has to be as a mentor to guys trying to make their way into management and administration. By taking the action they have the assumption has to be that this is something Mick hasnt been offered. To boot the precident, if it didn't already exsist, has now been set, so I expect to see a plethora of Sunday teams being discarded - and I would suggest that the attitude the current league management have displayed, in this case, that there is only one way that this particulatr league is going.....
Micky, offer still stands for next year but my advice would be mate to channel your energies into Saturday, I will gladly involve you in Whittlesey United matters - and that sad Sunday lots loss will be our gain, keep ya chin up mate see you at training.
CAFC Crofty
05-09-2007, 13:20
Having been part of the Fitzjohn side for the
past 2 seasons, call it biasness, but i think
this is a shocking decision!!!!
Like I said . . . you all had the chance at the AGM to back Sean and the others voicing concern over the '5 year plan' etc. - but people didn't listen!
The key thing is . . . the more clubs are encouraged and red-tape is made clearer to understand . . . the happier clubs will be and the more prosperous the League will find itself (simple really).
Less of this courtroom like meetings and disciplinarys and the 'us and them' attitude. The commitee should be voted for democratically like a government. This way people will at least be able to vote with their feet if the need be.
All those in favour, say "AYE" !!!
:soo:
What's been the balls up with the registrations of a few teams? It said in the paper the opening weekend was a bit thin on the ground due to paperwork not being done.
BLUE BOYS
05-09-2007, 16:08
firstly a few answers, napoli we was told that because we/fitzjohn owed 90 from last year for missing fixture from last year i was told that we had cancelled we was advised that because we owed money the chances are that we would not be permitted to the agm. i have worked closly through out the summer to resolve this matter and push things forward although it has its problems thought we was moving foward. we was given the offer of backing from a local team in coates who 60% of our players play for on a saturaday, but it never really took off i then spoke to fred johnson who was looking at helping me through problems and he asked why i hadnt put my signing forms in. basically i was protecting my signed players from a suspension if things did go wrong and told fred that although option one look as though it had failed there was a back up offer from mick that was a geuine offer which would happen. asked him after there metting if he could tell me the exact amount they need and i would get the cheque sent straight away, i had no phone call back and then the letter incident occured yes things havent ran smooth and yes rules are rules but after about 3 months of tryng to resolve problems the league will now be light of a team due to not granting a week to sort it once and forall, and yes mick maybe have to look at getting more involed on a saturday instead
Surely after seeing all of the effort that you and your club-mates have put-in, in order to keep a Whittlesey/Coates/March based team in the league, the PSMFL should be a little more lenient? It's true that rules are rules . . . but there is such a thing as special circumstances. After all, even the Premier League have special tribunals and differing circumstances where they have to bend or change the rules if it is for the benefit of football which in this case, it certainly is.
It's a shame. How about a comment from the League? Oh sorry, I forgot - "Why should we comment on a public forum about rumours" !! :lol:
Not sure I'm happy woth the tone or suggestion of a couple of the posts here.
Mick B, I'm not aware of any 'promised backing' unless you are refering to our offer of support in running the team i.e. Sec, Tres, Commitee, affiliation etc. Although I'm sure we will have a chat about it sooner ar later. You should have popped round if it would have helped.
Mick G, you also refer to an offer of backing, is this refering to Coates or something else. The reference to 'never took off' and 'option 1 had failed' and then Mick B making a 'genuine' offer, has really hit a nerve with me. You have my number and address. Anyway, we will have a chat i'm sure. My last communication with you was that you and A N Other were attempting to deal with the fine issue.
All I want t do is make it very very clear that the offer from Coates is and was genuine and I will not have it suggested that it was anything other than an offer of support to give local lads a platform to play football.
if coates have all necessary requirements now why doesn't someone from the league arrange a meeting(face to face!) and clear the matter up and allow them into the league(especially as most teams aren't even starting for another few weeks). i currently play in div 1 and already i'm worried about this screwing up our season and throwing the league out of sync as has happened in the past when teams have pulled out. div 1 was an absolute shambles a few seasons back with teams only just reaching double figures in terms of league games so well done to the PSMFL for getting the ball rolling!
it's hard enough getting players involved in sunday mornings and playing once in a blue moon really isn't going to help matters and teams in the division will lose players which will then lead to the threat of teams folding. already heard a rumor that deeping are considering dropping out of div 1 as they struggled to get 9 players for their 1st game on sunday so that may be 2 down in an already small league.
bluestar
06-09-2007, 09:22
Gary - if you arent happy buddy guess you should speak to Mick Gale :soo:
Dont see any reference in my previous post to Coates F.C. and if I needed to speak to you on this, we have known each other long enough now for you to know I would have done. My offer was financial, so as I understood it that doesnt involve you at all.
I have no agenda for involving myself in the sunday morning shambles - offer was simply to allow a team of local lads to remain in the league and once that failed- as apparently it has, Im outta there. As you very well know Gary my interests in local football only extend to what goes on at Whittlesey United F.C. - catch up with you for a beer and a chat soom me old hammer - regards Mick
Mick, I hoped that was the case. I always understood that we were/are of similar ilk. It looks like the opportunity has gone but I wish we had ALL sat down and resolved this. I suggested to Fred that the fine be defered until they got some money together. Your option also resolves the situation. Which ever way you look at it Coates would have paid for it in the end ! Amazing how Fitzjohn ended up with zero funds ! Did they even have a bank account ?
Just to open up another question. We have had 5 audits by Cambs FA in 10 years. Do ALL clubs get audited ? I know you may be able to contribute to this Mick as you were Blue Star that joined with W'sey.
bluestar
06-09-2007, 10:23
Gary - in my time at Bluestar we were audited several times, believe that Cambs can ask to audit any of the clubs affiliated - seems a bit ott that they have had you in to look at your books that many times, might have something to do with lack of North Cambs clubs to choose from :lol:
Might be worth having a chat to Bassie, he will be able to give the full sp, although if memory serves believe we ( WUFC) were audited last year.
Mick, my point was more directed at how a club can fold/wind up with zero funds in their bank account ! Surely the only way that can happen is if some poor sod has been supporting the club from their own pocket.
bluestar
06-09-2007, 11:19
Ahhh I see, forgive me mate, its been a long week - now your talking my language - in the early days at Bluestar thats exactly how it worked, I was that poor sod !!! Didn't have any sponsors, pubs didnt open all day and match day subs just about covered the referee and pitches. End of season presentation night revenue paid affiliation/league fees and my credit card bought the new kit!!! ( next time you see my missus ask her to tell you about that one - lucky to still have me gonads when she found out :whs: ). As well as player/manager I did most of the admin etc and my missus washed the kit. oh and for good measure I put the nets up ( what a mug!)
thats why I have symphathy with what Mick was trying to do, cos Ive been there and hence that was why the offer of money was made. Should have kept me big gob shut and concentrated on the easy!!! Saturday role :lol:
Why anyone would want to get involved these days is beyond me - and as you know mate not many do! -
I heard all of the funds went on a horse in the 3:50 at Kempton
It was called Ironhead
Apparently still running (Although every time i saw ironhead his pace was best described as a relatively quick jog!))
:lol:
BLUE BOYS
06-09-2007, 16:19
like it al,very good.last year the sides dealings were looked after elsewere all i had to do was pick a side on the day real hard job when you have eleven.im not going to say much on here as it makes all parties look stupid. gary i feel that you have taken some of my points in tottaly the wrong way basically i was saying that things werent sorted at all well and when it came down to in or out mick made me the offer the geniune part was a mention more towards the league not yoursealves. we had a good side last year and was looking at doing more this year. that now wont happen i myself will be taking a back seat and just playing elsewhere if i find somewhere that i am happy to play, i will have a chat when i see you to clear things up.
jingle bells
11-09-2007, 15:26
nice to see a few comments of "perhaps we should have supported EMAP and Hampton" more.
Situation is that at least 2/3 of teams still support a movement against committee. An EGM requires 2/3 signatures by club secretary to call. Perhaps if people feel so strongly about the decisions made by the committee and I'm not just refferring to Coates/F Ingle then clubs should stand with EMAP/OFFICE and make a stand with a show of hands... ??
There is a known local face who was prepared at last minute to temp take over running of league should a vote/removal happen... Perhaps if clubs arn't happy with the way this is dealt with they should stand up and be counted!!!
Back of the Net
11-09-2007, 15:39
As most people know I represent EMAP, and would like to say I dont officially support a witch hunt against one person in particular, however it's being made clear our leagues are in trouble with refs/communication/people not happy etc... and with all this going on certain people still insist it's all our fault for talking about it online - it's laughable!
If anyone of us lot ran our clubs in such a fashion our lads would vote us out or remove us within a season, it's a shame the same process is not available to members of the PSMFL - we seem to be forced to accept our lot and watch them blame everyone else as we slide south!!! it's gutting to watch.
surely if you're in charge of this mess some of the blame lays with you??? if not then I guess it must be our fault for talking about it on this site - what else could it be?
As for an EGM... not sure it would work, every club would have to attend and vote and most just want to get on with the season dont they? but if things continue to get worse and bad press surrounds our PSMFL then I'm sure the committee will do something - most likely blame myself and others again ...
Not just that, but the clubs wouldn't understand what was going-on during the EGM anyhow, they should have a hymn sheet for people to know what is actually being said! Too much red-tape. :mad:
Back of the Net
11-09-2007, 15:49
oh and by the way...
Emap and others presented the leagues with a workable structure for 1 league sitting out once every 4th week to allow for a shortage in refs in the short-term, basically 1 whole division sits out every 4th week meaning only 3 leagues play each weekend, it means we only need rely on fewer refs those games scheduled have a higher chance of being played..
this way at least you knew in advance your club would have certain weekends free and not be in a position of being let down on a saturday evening or worse still a Sunday morning....
The committee listened to the proposal and looked at a spreadsheet that proved it would and could work then dismissed it as 'un-workable'..
what happened next is becoming clear after just 2 weekends of the season we've had loads of games cancelled with no ref!!!
You honestly couldn't make some of it up!!!
needless to say it's our fault someohow for telling people about it??
I just hope there's a way out of the mess and I'm positive people would help if asked?
bluestar
12-09-2007, 08:20
having read last nights ET - all I can say is what a sad state of affairs. As per my previous comment surely the league officials are there to serve the members of the league. As an outsider looking in what harm would it have done to give the lads just a few more days grace - the league has hardly kicked off yet has it?
I dont know the league secretary and dont want to get into any debate but I can assure him that my offer wasnt a"promise that never materialised" - whatever problems the club had with affiliation etc I wasnt aware of, I had no wish to involve myself in the club in any way, save to ensure that they had the necessary funds available to be able play this season - to put it more simply I just wanted to help my mates out and give a platform for the lads, who play for me on a Saturday, to be able to play together on a Sunday, obviously benefitting what we are trying to do at Whittlesey United.
The comment that "The league worked very hard to try to resolve this" just about sums it up for me, a lesson learnt, you can keep your Sunday football, - :soo:
Back of the Net
12-09-2007, 10:26
I think Spec hit the nail on the head earlier on this message thread - I cant claim to know all the details here but it's clear for us all to see that communication is partly to blame? Perhaps if the league had rang you and spoken to you personally a compromise could have reached??
But it looks from the outside that they had a meeting and decided that because no-one had written in and/or got the EXACT paperwork in order etc they would eject the side from the league and blame them for broken promises without speaking to ALL concerned by picking up the bloody phone and discussing it man to man...
And then they go to the press and blame everyone else but themselves, Anyone else see a pattern emerging here?
They blamed us lot for the farce at the AGM and tried to say it was all this websites fault they were in trouble... Errrr, Head in sand?
It's so gutting to see another quality side drift away from Sunday football, where does it end?
It's not the players and clubs that are causing the Sunday leagues to slip away surely?? So what is it that has lads like
the Whittlesey lot (and many others before them) to simply say "enough is enough" and then they quit the Sunday scene for good, it must stop soon or we'll be left with a Sunday afternoon type set-up - 2 leagues of 8 teams and no point at all.... BUT, Maybe that’s the 5 year plan hahahaha???
All my own opinion etc...
You're not wrong though mate! :soo:
BLUE BOYS
12-09-2007, 16:07
read last nights article, what a joke but will be careful of what i say.firstly all the paperwork was ready to be sent as was instucted to fred johnson but was not sent due to not having the funds. i worked on very limited time to get alot done i.e at the start of it all i was dropped some paperwork through my door asked to fill in manager proposed sec kit info and the players i was going to sign home base ect this came on the thursday morning was told to get it back by saturday i was flying out to poland at 4 0 clock fri but managed to get it in. then came a problem with an outstanding fine £90 spoke to richard line who said it was harsh for us to of got it went on to nick titman, his comment to me was this i was down the manor and saw your keeper jacko he didnt no that you had a game. then when i explained the fact that he was watching coates and that there was 8 of our players out there and i dont usaully ring players to let them no we have a game but its off due to no players the subject got tricky. eventually sorted 5 weeks later, another 5 weeks wasted then as i put earlier that things at coates didnt devolope was given the offer by mick it needed a week to be sorted and spoke to fred before they had there comittee meeting, fred said i no mick and i no he wont let you down but wasnt given that week. all in all ive played sunday football at verious clubs at most levels for 15 years now its not as though i was coming in to be here one moment out the next but will move on now and leave the topic alone
Thread re opened, perhaps i was being harsh, but please tread carefully
carefree
15-09-2007, 20:02
i have nothing to do with sunday adult football at all, as i manage a kids team nowadays on a sunday, much more rewarding. but the league should have been called 'T****N'S SUNDAY MORNING LEAGUE' its my ball so i make the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bst:
saturdays for football sundays mornings is for sleeping off the hang overs :lol:
1.14am and a bit tipsy :beer:
just got in so thought i best edit this posting (no names) but come on there isn't any smoke without fire Ross. there's no law about not being able to voice you opinion and thats all the boyz are doing, i think they are entitled too do that. :soo:
carefree
15-09-2007, 20:04
p.s much better run in the days of Steve Hanson.
Back of the Net
17-09-2007, 08:07
I'd advise writing or contacting your FA authority if it continues lads - we tried voting at the AGM but they blocked that one so all that we can do is contact higher up the chain at FA level - either Northants/Cambs.Hunts etc (whichever you're affiliated too) - but bear in mind a certain someone sits on the Northants FA committee so if you contact them ask for a private investigation - IE: kept away from him or else you'll suffer the consequnces no doubt?
Glad to say our game went ahead as we played away in Deeping and they have a local ref that I think does all their games.
On the point of higher leagues taking preference - surely not!!! how would you feel if you ran a lower level club or played for one and they took all your refs because they were deemed 'better' ? can't do that surely! refs should be shared equally with no divisions getting better treatment than others in my book - there's not that big a gulf between middle of the Prem and top of the 2nd in my book.
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