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Back of the Net
29-05-2007, 14:55
AGM on the 26th June I believe?
Hope everyones registered ok... I hear we may be switching too 4 leagues instead of 5 with more teams in each league?? may not be the case but something I heard anyway.
i've heard that too. i think it'd be a good thing as small leagues are VERY unpopular.
royalmail
30-05-2007, 07:37
I agree with small leagues being a nightmare but it will be hard for the structure to be right. A lot of stronger teams playing below there abilities and a couple of potentially strong new teams coming on the scene in will make the new league set up very interesting.
Back of the Net
30-05-2007, 07:49
There has also been an official request to vote for each position on the PSMFL committee by a show of hands.
Several managers/clubs are requesting this so each position/person on the current committee will receive backing by a show of hands, if they don't get a majority vote then they lose their seat and we all have to vote someone else into the position if it's vacant... not sure if it'll go ahead but an official request was made.
I hear quite a few clubs/managers/people would perhaps like a change and I hear there may be a ready made (respected) replacement available should a certain position become vacant after the vote......
Interesting stuff - I don't want to name names etc but PM or email me if you want to know more....
I understand that you don't want to name names but .....
I'm pretty sure that prior to the AGM ANY candidate can apply for ANY of the posts within the committee. If someone thought they 'fancied a go' then they put there names forward. It is then decided at the AGM by a show of hands from the members who agree to ALL of the positions of the management committee at the AGM. I'm sure it is not a dictatorship and I'm sure that you don't have to go down the lines of 'a vote of no confidence' or a public no vote.
In my experience you generally find that a committee is either voted in block or that it takes someone to step down before someone steps in. But i'm sure anyone can apply then it goes to a vote.
royalmail
08-06-2007, 07:49
It's incredible !!!! Just seen the leagues structure proposed for this coming season. Royal Mail being put up in the prem. Ok whilst they have three or four ex prem players (all over 35 years) they also still have a core of players that have propped up the lower leagues for the past 3 or 4 years ! Teams that played in leagues higher than AYL still being put in leagues below them for this year ! How can this be right ? By the looks of it what people need to do is join the committee and run a side. That way you can win cups and have Saturday prem players play and STILL not go up !!!!!!! :soo:
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 09:20
I've just seen them too, the 2 teams that finished below you are up to Division 1 also so perhaps it's not so bad?
Each league has been expanded to 11 or 12 teams so they lose a league, in effect most people will move up a division or 2, We finished 3rd in Div 3 but are now in a tough Div 1 - we may struggle but we're up for it.
I cant see the problem to be fair, so what if you dont win the league, if you're not good enough for that league you'll go down next year and find your level soon enough, you cant expect not to go up after winning a league?
Not sure who you're talking about when mentioning running a team and being on the PSMFL committee though? McCains are in the Prem and Fred Johnson helps out there..
Here's the structure they posted out this morning:
I do question putting Racing 252 in the Prem as they finished below Parkside last season who are in Div 1??
But the rest looks about right and would provide some cracking games I reckon.. Lord Burghley v Lord Westwood or Limetree v B Tap etc
Premier Division
Fratelli FC
Jubilee North End FC
Lord Westwood FC
Lord Burghley FC
McCains FC
Netherton United FC
Power League FC
Racing 252 FC*
Royal Mail AYL FC
Woodston Dynamos Seniors FC
Yaxley Horseshoes FC*
Division One
EMAP FC
Parkside FC
Limetree UTR FC
Scarletts FC
Farcet United
Deeping Athletic
Brewery Tap FC
Parkway FC
New Shoes FC
Fitzjohn Ingle FC*
Premier Decorators FC
Division Two
West Town
Netherton Res
Longueville FC
Werrington Village
Sawtry
Brotherhoods
Protelo
Star Inn
Farcet Res
Proposed new team 1
Thomas Cook
Division Three
Werrington Rangers
Fenland Police
Baddows Spartak
Ebeneezers
Halcyon FC
NTS
Proposed new team 2
Proposed new team 3
Angel Inn
Perkins Engine Centre
AFC Hampton
Come on Back of the net who you kidding - I
do not see the problem!! If you were put in the prem you would not be happy and would get beat every week - fact!! :soo:
A three league jump is too much and as I know hempo and you and people in hempos side i can confirm that whilst they are a good side they are not good enough to compete week in week out in the prem either because they have players that were once outstanding (Pailng, hempo, locke) or they are not good enough - yet!!??
As per usual the league do what they like!! I for one am becoming more and more bemused at the Sunday Morning League antics and feel that they are truning into a money making scheme!! Prem a 3 horse race again (no offence) and teams will drop out and league will become a mockery again!!
As for the comment on the committee member. Take a look at one team that contains mr wayte, mr hutchcraft and a few other prem players and are still in Div 2!! Surely not!!
Come on league sort yourself out and get some respect back - interesting AGM awaits!!
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 11:09
Come on Back of the net who you kidding - I
do not see the problem!! If you were put in the prem you would not be happy and would get beat every week - fact!! :soo:
A three league jump is too much and as I know hempo and you and people in hempos side i can confirm that whilst they are a good side they are not good enough to compete week in week out in the prem either because they have players that were once outstanding (Pailng, hempo, locke) or they are not good enough - yet!!??
As per usual the league do what they like!! I for one am becoming more and more bemused at the Sunday Morning League antics and feel that they are truning into a money making scheme!! Prem a 3 horse race again (no offence) and teams will drop out and league will become a mockery again!!
As for the comment on the committee member. Take a look at one team that contains mr wayte, mr hutchcraft and a few other prem players and are still in Div 2!! Surely not!!
Come on league sort yourself out and get some respect back - interesting AGM awaits!!
JNE - hang on mate, R Mail finished 2 spots above us so why shouldn't they go higher than us? we finished 3rd in Div 3 but are still up too div 1 in the new structure, we still might get beat every week but we aint complaining, if we aint good enough we'll go down next year - so what?
I'd be honoured to go into the prem and thats our ultimate aim but of course the big 3 will remain strong and it's our job (as other teams) to challenge them not moan that we can't compete against them, I'd love to play against the top teams every week and try to improve our club as a result...
Of course the league cannot please everyone and someone will always have a good case as to why they should be put into a league they can win, well sorry mate it cant be like that, EMAP would have a good chance of winning Div 2 or 3 I reckon but we have very little chance of winning div 1 but we'll take that and work on improving, we all have plenty of time to attract players based on what division we're in also so teams will improve, I know for a fact Hempo has an offer from a VERY good ex-manager to help his team next season so things are not as bleak for R Mail as you try to suggest mate!
Tell you what - next season if he's not happy in the prem we'd offer to swap with him, hows that? :lol:
What does the * by teams denote?
Which teams do you feel should be in the Prem JNE? Aside of JNE, Westwood and Netherton you have stated that the others would not be contenders for the title (which could turn out to be completely accurate). Are there others outside of the Prem (in the lists from BOTN) that could be contenders in your opinion? If there are none, then there can't really be much wrong with the structure chosen because there would be no better alternatives
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 11:51
What does the * by teams denote?
No Idea mate... it's how it was sent out in the Minutes of the PSMFL, we all recieved copies this morning.
I would imagine we'll hear all sorts of conspiracy theories now :lol:
By the way JNE - you say we'd get beat every week - FACT??
I'd wager we'd beat R Mail at least :lol: :lol: (it'd be a good game anyway)
royalmail
08-06-2007, 12:27
To start I think * means teams that still owe money. Ok then Back of the net, I've spoke to Hempo this morning and he is very happy to swap leagues with you. Sure this won't be a problem with the committee. He feels himself and his ageing superstars would be more capable of competing in Div 1. He'd also love to get a pre season friendly sorted with EMAP as he felt your games last year were some of the better. Big question from Hempo is that Fitzjohn Ingle beat AYL twice last year. Would they not be approriate for the Prem ? :soo:
I predict that Lord Burghley will "gatecrash" the so called big 3 next year!
royalmail
08-06-2007, 12:40
I agree wtfamu. Whilst I think they might nick points from the big 3 I also think they'll drop points against some lesser sides. Good luck to Sean and the boys.
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 13:14
To start I think * means teams that still owe money. Ok then Back of the net, I've spoke to Hempo this morning and he is very happy to swap leagues with you. Sure this won't be a problem with the committee. He feels himself and his ageing superstars would be more capable of competing in Div 1. He'd also love to get a pre season friendly sorted with EMAP as he felt your games last year were some of the better. Big question from Hempo is that Fitzjohn Ingle beat AYL twice last year. Would they not be approriate for the Prem ? :soo:
hahahaha - I clearly said (tongue in cheek) we would swap with him NEXT season if he's not happy in the Prem after having actually given it a go for a year.... he's got offers of help with the team and time to sign players so I think he'll do alright to be honest and I wish em all the best.
As for Fitzjohn, their manager and secretary quit and the team nearly folded plus they still finished below R Mail thats plenty of reasons as to why they're just 1 league below them - they still went up.
We'd love to sort a friendly out with Hempo and the Mail lads, PM me and we can swap emails or tel numbers to sort it yeah?
Is anybody else completly confused as to what the league are doing!!! :soo: :soo: :soo:
Yet again they appear to have made a decision based on no form of logic or common sense.
Why has one proposed new team been put in division 2 and the other 2 in div 3??? How are they going to choose which proposed team gets to go in div 2?
A common sense approach would have been to simply collapse the leagues based on last years finishing places. As far as I can tell the league have lost two teams from the prem, blue boar and Woodview. With that in mind, simply collapsing the leagues would mean the following,
Prem
Jubilee North End
Netherton Fc
Yaxley Horseshoes
Lord Westwood
Woodston Dynamos Seniors
Powerleague Fc
Fratelli
Mccains Fc
Parkside Fc
Racing 252
Lime Tree Utr
Division 1
Scarletts Fc
Farcet United
Deeping Athletic
West Town Fc
Lord Burghley
Brewery Tap
Parkway Fc
New Shoes
Premier Decorators Fc
Thomas Cook Fc
Netherton Reserves
Division 2
Longueville Fc
Werrington Rangers
Royal Mail Ayl
Fitzjohn & Ingle
Emap Fc
Werrington Village
Sawtry Fc
Brotherhood Works
Angel Inn
Perkins Engine Centre
Afc Hampton
Division 3
Protelo Fc
Star Inn
Farcet United Reserves
Nts Fc
Baddows Spartak
Ebeneezers Fc
Halcyon Fc
Fenland Police
Proposed new team 1
Proposed new team 2
Proposed new team 3
Now I understand that its long been the view that some teams are in the wrong league and they should be moved outside of this simple approach. However a more thought through approach would have been to contact all teams, informing them of the plans and inviting them to put a case forward for them to either move up or down the leagues. So the likes of Royal Mail, Emap, Scarletts etc could have told the league that they wanted to go up and stated the case why.
What they have done is just thrown all the balls in the air and waited to see where they land. Why should teams have to endure a season playing above themselves, getting completly demoralised by loosing most games and ending it all in a league they should have been in the first place! What will probably happen is those teams will get so fed up they throw the towell in and the leagues got a repeat of division 1 from a couple of seasons ago with a farce of a competition.
The completly lack of procedure, planning and consultation on the part of the league just confounds my completle lack of confidence in their stewardship of the sunday morning league.
:sad: Sorry rant over.
Ps. I think Fratelli will cause a few upsets throughout the season, probably not got enough in them to push into the top 3 this year but there'll give them all a good game.
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 14:22
I'm sure a lot more thought went into it than simply throwing things in the air and seeing how they fall mate.
Taking your structure as an example - Emap would be in the same league as Royal Mail again, why should that be? they finished 2 places above us and should be promoted as champions and Lord Burghley are clearly a Prem outfit so have to go up...
I think you'll find that the structure the league suggest could well work, I honestly can't find too many teams playing out of their depth.
of course certain teams may go from league winners from lower leagues to mid table in higher ones but that is the nature of promotion and improvement as a club surely? EMAP as example again will be lucky not to finish in the bottom 3 but we'll give it a go as we want to improve.
Simply collapsing the league is not going to work when you have certain teams already playing either well below or well above their level.
Come on lads from the leagues posted out to us by the PSMFL who in all honesty can say they'd have done a better job? maybe one or 2 minor mistakes (which could maybe get sorted with a discussion?) but I for one reckon it looks set up for some cracking games of football and at last we get bigger league to play within!
Back of the Net
08-06-2007, 14:44
oh and as for new teams... you can't simply whack them all into the bottom league.
What if one of them has a team full of Sat prem lads or Div 1 lads?
You have to take a view on who they are gonna have in their squad and place them in a league you think will be good for them.
I would imagine the league knows which teams the new ones are already and thats why they are placed in the leagues they are - the league wouldn't be at liberty to divulge who these teams are until the AGM when all registrations are complete etc....
easy to jump on their backs lads but why not give it a go 1st and then see how it pans out?
What I'm saying is you cant just make the league up based on the opinion of a few committee members because it just gives them license to promote teams that they like, and not promote teams they dont, as has happened here with royal mail going into the prem.
I dont buy the fact that if a team get a whole host of good players they should be automatically promoted through the leagues once the AGM comes around, they should have to work their way through the leagues like everyone else.
I can't remember Netherton getting thrown into the Prem from division 5. They had to work there way through the leagues to get to where they are today. If you just start throwing teams into leagues based on who they signed on the league structure will never work.
Also, if you read my post closely, I did say that there could have been license to promote certain teams if they felt they warranted it by inviting leagues to make representation to that affect. At least if everyone knew that was the procedure they could have either taken part or not. Either way they wouldnt beable to complain about it later.
Also, with regard the new teams, Why should one team get preferential treatment based on a few signings. Also, the league won't know who they have signed yet as no one can sign on players until July 1st!!
Its always been the case in football that new teams have to start at the bottom and move their way through the leagues.
Take Saturday for example, how would everyone feel if a new team came along and said they were gonna sign on a whole host of UCL players and the comittee put them straight into the saturday prem. There'd be outrage!
You have to follow rules and procedures otherwise your just making it up as you go along and people lose all faith and confidence in you making the decisions. As has whats happened with Sunday morning football in Peterborough!!
ps.
I just want to make it clear to anyone reading these, I'm really not one to normally criticise officials of leagues because on the whole they do a fantasitc job for free for the good of football in Peterborough. I just feel in this case its gone too far.
hi all, i agree i think a team should have to work their way thru the leagues and even knowing that a team has good players they should still need to proove themselves as Rabbit says just like Netherton have.
Its easy to criticise the leagues for the decisions they make but does anyone get to see the reasons they come to those decisions? im sure there will be more reasons than we see.
Are their decisions even final just yet or as the teams cannot sign players on just yet does that mean they will still make amendments to the leagues once they know what players are playing for who?
or has this who conversation just been on hear say and no one actually knows what is going to happen this season?
Super Jube
09-06-2007, 11:36
Racing 252 will surprise alot of people in the Prem next season as Tyler has taken over and has got alot of good players who have promised to sign and if they do the team will surprise a few people and will push the Big 3 next year.[/list]
i will be very surprised if racing finish in the top three to be honest. racing have a lot of potential but always seem to bring on difficulties themselves. if the players tyler signs turn up week in week out then who knows?
royalmail
11-06-2007, 07:42
It'll be interesting to see if Tyler sees out the course with Racing as he didn't with Jubilee this season !!!!!! Only joking !!!! I agree with Rabbit and the points he brings up. I don't know another league that puts together teams on hear say of players signing. If rumours are true then the new Goldhay side should be in the prem. I'm all for collapsing the leagues and going with finishing positions from last year.
I tend to agree that teams should earn their promotion. To take a team up two or three leagues on last seasons results is not always right. They have earned promotion to the next level. Who knows who they are going to sign for the next season, some existing players may decide that the prem is too much for them and may not re-sign. I can understand younger players relishing the challenge but with all respect to them' some of the more experienced lads who have done it all, perhaps would rather see out their remaining years in the lower leagues. Many ,many yrears ago I played for Focus Y.C on Sunday Afternoons, we went from youth football to senoior football with almost the same side. In our first year in senior football we won Division 7, We were promoted to division 3 where we finished 4th, the next season they put us in the premier league. Some of the team,including myself were not good enough and getting dicked every week finished a team that had been together a long time.As most of us know if all the players who say they are going to sign actually sign and turn up every week being a manager would be easy. Best of luck to Tyler, I think he is aware of how hard it is raising a side on Sunday mornings. As for the leagues and their make up, have all the sides actually paid their monies ? I suspect mtheir maybe a couple of sides that might not make it. I hope not but it happens.
Back of the Net
11-06-2007, 12:12
I agree also, you should earn your promotion and I think teams like R Mail, L Burghley and 252 etc have earned them, perhaps R Mail is a bit much striaght to the Prem and I'm sure Hemps will be speaking to the league about that, we went from Div 3 up too Div 1 but seeing as we've lost a league it's really only up 1 division as far as I can see, Div 2 is full of all the teams we played last year plus 2 or 3 new ones!
Surely you have to try and move teams to the correct level or what happens is you get a load of good players playing in the lower leagues and cleaning up all the while whilst the teams they beat get no chance of silverwear?
It's a tough one - try and take a view on who to promote to the correct level or watch them walk 2 or 3 leagues till they find that level? If you wait there's no guarantee they wont just disband when they hit that level anyway?
Pro's and Cons either way and a tough decision for the league to take, personally I'll give it a go 1st and then let em know my thoughts...
Best of luck too 252 and R Mail regardless of what happens though.
royalmail
11-06-2007, 12:56
On behalf of the AYL lads, many thanks for your wishes of good luck and many words of wisdom from Hempo's old boss. Think the 3 division jump is way too much. Considering a few of last seasons team have yet to commit to this year. By the look of the rest of the leagues I think AYL would do well in 2 and hold there own in 1. but that all depends on the wisdom of our top table on the 24th !!!
so by the psmfl's logic POSH should be applying to the championship due to all the high profile signing they have made/make :lol:
jumping 3 divisions :lol: do the league not realise half of that team have been there done it and seen it all(when it was worth doing!). the reason i suspect half of those players choose to play at that standard is to take it easy in their twighlight years as mick said. i dont suppose for 1 minute that they want to go back to busting their arses every week and waking up on a monday morning feeling the after effects.
actually i've just thought if POSH signed the likes of ince,gascoigne,rush,irwin,redknapp etc. we'd be promoted directly to the prem!
idiots(psmfl) be fair for a change!
Back of the Net
12-06-2007, 12:07
local Sunday football around Peterborough is hardly the same as a nationwide league structure is it?
We only have limited players in the pool to choose from and get playing for us.
Therefore when certain groups that are better all get together within certain teams they will dominate a lower league, is it fair on the teams below them to allow that to happen when they could be put up a level or 2 and compete with teams on a par with em?
if you dont do anything about it then it sends a message out to groups of decent players that it's easy to drop down leagues and clean up and nobody will do anything about it (not saying certain people have done this but you see what I mean surely?)
I aint saying it's easy or the league have got it 100% right this time but I cant see too many teams playing out of their depth from seasons gone by!
Maybe R Mail have a case and maybe one or 2 others too but who else should take their places if they move down a league or 2?
maybe Parkside for the Posties? but apart from that I reckon most teams are in a really competitive league and it should throw up some cracking games with results going either way which is surely a good thing?
i was hardly serious was i?! i was being VERY sarcastic. royal mail haven't smashed every team in their league to suggest such a big promotion they just have a good bunch of well known players who had a good season many of which are on a wind down in their sunday careers. so really it is quite like pro football where a lot of players work their way down the leagues seeing out their final years when the higher levels are a bit to much to compete at their best.
royalmail
13-06-2007, 08:37
All points very well made JB. Just as you used to patrol the back four for the Jubilee !!!!!!!! Of all the signings made by Hempo last year I think Woody is the only one who has'nt played the last 15 years in the prem. Hemps, Crotty, Joe and Daz have played at the top level since before many of us have been involved in Sundays. They certainly did'nt drop to Div 3 to pick up a league winners trophy to go on there shelves at home. They joined for a friend and to have a laugh whilst benefiting from the run out. To put them back in the ultra competitive ! prem I feel would be too much. Parkside or Parkway would be suitable replacements but that decision isn't mine.
Back of the Net
13-06-2007, 12:23
Hahaha I know it was sarcasm mate! But some of the points are valid and do effect a few teams in our leagues...
Now this is just something a mate of mine overheard and had said someone that is close too the PSMFL had mentioned bits of it ok - talked about it over a beer, so take from it what ya like, it's hearsay so don’t quote me on it yeah:
Royal Mail were rumoured to have approached several MORE Prem players or similar to join next season plus had an offer to help from an ex-Prem manager, Can only assume the league are thinking if that were to happen they'd be a Prem outfit?
Plus the fact they cleaned up in Div 3 last term with the 2nd and 3rd places in same division going up too Div 1 also, the league must have considered those teams to be progressing in standard as clubs (we'll struggle if honest but prepared to give it a go).
It's all well and good wanting to drop down a league to finish your career but if you all go to the same team and clean up then it doesn’t work, as you'll be promoted back to where ya came from surely?
Prem too far for them? Maybe, but who is a better team below that you'd swap with?
If there isn't one, then the only argument you have is that "we don’t like it because we aint going win it" - hardly a reasonable argument when you consider other teams in leagues below that are in the same position is it?
252 - a quality side on their day and under new management who will surely bring in some top players so maybe deserve a Prem slot? I think they'll challenge the so called 'big 3'
Compressing leagues can't work for the likes of Star Inn - Farcet and Protello etc as they wouldn't be promoted would they? Plus take Lord Burghley - clearly a Prem side based on their squad and results last season, they'd be in Div 1 and clean up again - we need them in the Prem to actually challenge the big 3...
Teams with a * next to their names on the thing they posted out denote teams that hadn't completed their registration up until then, not a problem I would imagine as the league are usually really helpful in this (ask Fitzjohn Ingle as they got plenty of help from Fred Johnson I believe)
I also hear that the thing they posted was so that all of us involved could discuss it and then get back to the committee with thoughts if they had a valid comment on the structure, so we should all simply fire any questions/comments into them and let them consider it - personally I've always found Paul Clarke and Fred Johnson really helpful when I need to speak with them.
Tommy Trophy
13-06-2007, 13:03
Sorry Sunday morning not really my bag anymore but it is a delicate and interesting subject.
In principle clubs should earn their way through the leagues, but the league also has a duty to ensure fair and equitable competition - clubs splitting up or attracting players who should be playing higher has always been something of a problem and is not fair on those sides operating at the right level having to play them without realistic chance of success.
Whilst the movement is generally upwards this should not cretae too much of a problem, but if a side was forced to go down when they had not finished in the bottom 2 or 3 that to my mind would be wrong.
In general I do think that there are a number of people who contribute here with some sound observations whose voices are somewhat wasted and maybe better served joining the committee in some shape or form?
Back of the Net
13-06-2007, 15:24
Good point tommy and with the committee in mind has anyone read the ET today? the Secretary has taken it upon himself to have a bit of a rant and I can offer a few pointers as to what he's on about - in my own opinion.
A fair few clubs are behind a request that went to the committee to vote by show of hands at the AGM on idividual positions within the committee -
A fair few clubs/people want a chance to show support for those on the committee they respect and ...... errrr well not show it for anyone they may not (it'd remove anyone without majority support and no prizes for guessing who may not get that and who the proposal is aimed at...).
Well things are at an awkward stage as the proposal, although it was entirely within the PSMFL rules was not accepted on the basis 2 people who 2nded it diddn't physically sign it - they dont have too according to the rulebook... and the proposer signed it on their behalf anyway.
Bottom line - a proposal is out there and well within the rules but someone on the committee blocked it and now we have these comments in the press...
A letter is with the Chairman asking him to explain whats happened and it mentions there are numbers behind a proposal to vote at the AGM - if they wont allow it there may be a call for united action at the AGM to ensure we have our say - the committee is split on this regardless of what it says in the press!
here's the comments in the ET:
THE Peterborough Sunday Morning League committee have promised to address their critics at the annual meeting later this month.
League officials - in particular secretary Nick Titman - have come in for criticism on a popular local football website during the past season. The meeting is on Sunday, June 24 at the Parkway Club on Maskew Avenue (10.30am start).
Titman said: “Myself and the other members of our excellent committee will not respond to criticism and attacks from anonymous contributors to an internet site.
“Of course we are aware of what a certain minority think of the league, but that is their view.
“What we will be doing is addressing our member clubs in person at the AGM.”
we all know who we all are and are hardly anonymous are we? also i don't think anyone has mentioned any names in their criticism have they?
these are exactly the kind of cheap shots from the people at the psmfl that p**s people off!
Back of the Net
14-06-2007, 08:26
mate - it's just from 1 person on the committee, they are not all like that - far from it, the majority really do work hard and do a lot for us..
It seems the comments in the ET are solely from the Secretary and as I mention above it's most likely because a lot of us are putting a proposal together so we all get to vote at the AGM by a show of hands who stays and who goes - no prizes for guessing who the majority want out!!!
and (in my own opinion, that others happen to share also) we'd be much better off as a result....
Problem is, the proposal is being blocked currently even though we all put it through according to the PSMFL rules...
Seriously lads if you want change this is the time to get it, throw weight behind this and support it then the league have to give us the vote at the AGM and we'll get the change to vote people in that WE want!
We have member clubs in double figures supporting it already - PM me if you want details how to help....
I was hardly being anonymous when I said my piece about Nick Titman (there named him again), I even gave details on where I could be contacted if he had a problem with what I said.
I was even threatened with court action for my views which I would willingly have taken him on in. (came to nothing, SHOCK MR BULLY)
My views haven't changed remotely on the man, he is not up to the task and is only interested in seeing his name up in lights, always been the same and always will be but unfortunately I now fill my time with more important things and he is but a distant memory although I'm sure our paths will cross again.
Good luck to you all in your quest to get rid of the deadwood (and as Sean said there are decent people on the commitee as well) but I think you will find history repeating itself and they will all stick together and be rid of any idea of change.
Sorry forgot to add about the jump in leagues for some clubs, ludicrous idea and let me foresee the first few months - new clubs play the top 5 sides (which looks as though that amount has potential) they get beat a few times, players think sod this I would rather stay in bed and nurse the hangover or go and play back in the lower leagues where they don't have to run around like a nutcase all morning, the club then suffers for lack of players and either folds or gets dicked double figures every week and then quits at the end of the season (i.e Woodview and Blue Boar) and then the whole process starts again the season after.
Hope I'm wrong but if that would be the nail in the coffin for ole Tithead then I hope I'm right.
Back of the Net
14-06-2007, 12:28
Good luck to you all in your quest to get rid of the deadwood (and as Sean said there are decent people on the commitee as well) but I think you will find history repeating itself and they will all stick together and be rid of any idea of change.
they may all stick together and lets face it you cant blame em cause they do get slated a lot before we all know exactly who's to blame etc...
But this time we really could force a vote that they would have to abide by - it's in their own rules so all we need is a few more clubs/managers to stand up and simply say they support the proposal to allow us a vote at the AGM to decide by majority who sits on the committee and who does not..
They would have to read out the current position on the committee and the current person doing that role, then JUST the clubs would vote to support that person - majority wins... If one certain person DID NOT get a majority vote then it would be clear the PSMFL demand a change and that would have to happen regardless of what they said!
We have numbers pushing for this to happen already and all of them want to show support for ALL BUT 1 on the current committee so it's not a case of wanting to change them all, just 1 bad apple (according to our views).
come on lads show support and they'll have to change as they represent us and their own rules state they'd have to allow it......
If anyone knows any other clubs/managers that would like to see this happen (if only to show support for the current PSMFL) then PM me yeah? we've double figures behind it already and we've had NONE say they dont want this to happen!!!
i would like to point out though that mr N.T. has been a lot of help to me in the past for which i am very grateful and as far as any one individual being solely responsible for the demise of the psmfl i really have no idea. what i do know is that since the age of 15 i've loved my sunday football(until a few years ago!) and now its a mess with no light at the end of a very gloomy tunnel and if anyone feels they can change that then i'm all for it.
jingle bells
14-06-2007, 14:34
I am most concerned with what I have read in the papers this week. I've heard that there is considerable backing from many PSMFL managers/clubs. Having not even realised this web site existed until I read our secretarys comments earlier this week in the local rag, I have increasing concerns with his agenda. With a blatant disregard of the rulebook and a "5 year plan" which, has fallen flat on its back is there any other option than to offer a vote of no confidence in the secretary?. However, even though rumours suggest there is someone willing to stand in his shoes, that person/persons needs to make themselves known widely to secure the support of the few remaining clubs who are very confused by this.
A disgruntled manager.
Back of the Net
14-06-2007, 16:16
regards someone else making themselves known to step into any vacant position... NOT NEEDED!
Quite simply if we get the vote and one person in particular gets voted out then the league would advertise the position, I am fairly sure at least 2 of the current committee would put themselves forward for consideration and of course others who used to run teams etc like errrrr Mr Seddon perhaps (no idea if he would but he'd get my vote) or any other manager/ex-player etc,....
Then the committee would call a meeting and we'd all vote for the best person - we'd get someone in without a doubt and right now I am sure most would take anyone over who we have now!!!
We need people to email and/or talk to the Chariman right now to say they are behind the proposal to get this vote - PM me for their email addresses and details or talk with them directly???
I must stress that this is my opinion on this matter and is not in anyway aimed at any one individual member of of any commitee. However I attended the PFA AGM on Wednesday night in my role as their Treasurer. I went there as Treasurer and I left there as Treasurer as a result of me being re-elected into that role by those present at the meeting. Had I not been re-elected then I like any other person in an official position on any committee would have to have accepted the decision. It is called democracy and not a dictatorship.
By the way as is always the case and in my opinion it should the case each member of the committee was re-elected by vote separately. Surely that should be the proper way of doing things on other committees unless a proposal is made and seconded by those in attendance. I can not see any reason why any committee would shy away from this method of re-election, unless of course they were scared of losing out.
Mark, I thought that is what I said but I think you put it a lot clearer.
I'm sure that it requires no additional proposal. Re election of officers should already be on the agenda.
Back of the Net
15-06-2007, 08:07
spoke with the PSMFL Chairman last night and he confirmed that seeing as we requested it officially (3 clubs proposed this) then we will indeed get to vote on an individual basis by show of hands.
They will read out the role on the committee and current person in that role - ask for a proposer and someone to 2nd it AND THEN by show of hands we as clubs all get to vote and majority wins...
If any particualr person does not get a majority then they are voted off and are no longer on the committee!!!
Previous years they simply voted en-bloc and they all were voted back in as one unit - many people and clubs this year want a chance to show support for individuals and perhaps not show it for anyone in particular (any guesses who may be a little worried by this?)...
Right lads - we have the chance now to vote who we want back onto or off this committee simply by raising your hand, or not....
Of course the Secretary gets to speak 1st and according to his comments in the paper last night there will be plenty of comments about how a minorty are supposedly against the committee and how great they all are etc etc... dont be fooled - comments on here are generally only against that same person and not the rest of the committee - hear him out and then vote to show them who you want on (OR OFF) that committee...
We'll get a few people standing as replacements if needed so we'll not go short!
RIGHT LADS - WE'VE HEARD FROM SO MANY THAT YOU WANT A PARTICULAR PERSON OFF THAT COMMITTEE - A FAIR FEW ARE BEHIND IT ALREADY AND HAVE ENSURED WE GET TO VOTE ON IT IN A FAIR WAY!
DON'T LET THIS CHANCE GO BEGGING......
With most AGM's I've been to (not just football), if you want someone off the committee then you put someone forward as an alternative. All people on the night at an AGM usually step down, and decided if they are prepared to continue. Proposed and seconded. Then the people(s) leave the roo, and a vote is carried out.
Trying to oust someone, without a clear replacement could be dangerous, both now and in the longer term. Plus matters like this need to be resoved at the AGM not carried over to other meetings. That will help no-one I feel.
Back of the Net
15-06-2007, 11:59
Telio...
Fair point mate, but in certain cases, many clubs may just have had enough of one person on the committee and may want change.
Whats wrong with getting a vote to actually see if the majority agree?
If (and it is an if) there is a vacany then the committee advertise it and people intrested will be interviewed then voted onto the committee.
I'm personally aware of 2 decent people that would perhaps step forward should a vacancy arise (but not before!) and I'm sure there must be others who would consider it also?
The thought behind the people already supporting this is not to try to get anyone in particular voted in, just one in particular out and then select the best from those that step forward afterwards - and there will be at least 2 that are capable!
The point being, no-one wants to step forward whilst the committee has everyone onboard it has currently, but should things change then they may well consider it, and many people agree that this would improve things for all within the PSMFL.
Who knows though - people may vote to keep things as they are, it's a democracy after all so we'll all have to abide by the majority decision!
In that case, why not put forward a motion a vote of no confidence in the individual concerned? I'm just thinking from the perspective of someone else on that committee who every year is going to get a show of hands to say whether they will, or will not be in a position. It's not something I'd like to experience every year. Not saying that it will, but what would happen if, say the committee decided to unite, and say if one person was voted off in this way, they all will go?
Where would that leave the league?
Back of the Net
15-06-2007, 12:46
fair point - BUT the rest of the committee have been told repeatedly they have the support of those behind this...
Many people were unsure of how to go about this one off action, and when the rules were read it was decided a vote like this was easiest to achieve without upsetting too many people - a no confidence vote is harder to achieve and would also upset the rest of the committee.
It's not been a rushed proposal, many support it and all of them 100% support the rest of the committee.
I'm sure everyone would be happy to revert back to voting the committee back in next season and thereafter EN-BLOC!
i think a show of hands is a bit too "public". i think there could be people who dont want to be seen to go against individuals who, if remained in power could make life difficult for people who voted against them. it should be an anonymous ballot then nobody has anything to fear and you'd get a fair vote.
mattsedd
15-06-2007, 15:46
Teilo has the point that most people seem to be missing.
it's not a case of
"who wants person A in...vote yes or no.. " and whichever oppion gets the most votes wins.
Thats not how AGM's work.
It could have been
"hands up for person A, hands up for person B", had there been an opposition, and then the person who polled the majority of the votes would be successfull
...but....if there is no person B, then person A would win the vote by default, even if he only got one vote.
Back of the Net
15-06-2007, 16:16
Matt - hello mate...
I get what you're saying but here's the deal.
We spoke with the Chairman last night, he confirmed the vote will go ahead as it was officialy proposed within their rules.
He also confirmed what's in the rules, we will all get too vote for each person on the committee by show of hands.
If person A does not get a majority vote then quite simply he IS NOT re-elected into that role,
person A is stood down and the committee advertise for a replacement.
we know of 2 capable people that if role A was vacant would step forward, hopefully more will???
The committee then interview all that stand forward and select the best to stand as temporary role A
until the next AGM when we all get to vote them in officially....
This was 100% confirmed to us by the Chairman last night, he just went through the rules that was all,
he was not wanting to get involved but he did have to confirm the ruling once asked.
Back of the Net
15-06-2007, 16:37
i think a show of hands is a bit too "public". i think there could be people who dont want to be seen to go against individuals who, if remained in power could make life difficult for people who voted against them. it should be an anonymous ballot then nobody has anything to fear and you'd get a fair vote.
Good point JB - we will of course ask that when voting the person in question leaves the room... only fair and I'm sure the committee will adhere!
In an ideal world a secret ballot would be the fair way to conduct the vote. However I think in this situation it would be too time consuming. Not sure you can ask the candidate to leave the room either, although they may wish to do so on their own accord. Not only that you would have to be fair and ask all the committee to leave one by one as they reach their election. Referring back to my other post on this matter we live in a a democracy and so therefore all committee members should accept their fate with grace and of course this works both ways. Lets hope this happens. Best of luck.
mattsedd
16-06-2007, 15:50
just hope it all goes well at the agm, either way guys, as far as I'm concerned the big leagues is a major success for all the campaining thats been done. well done guys
:)
eddie c s
16-06-2007, 16:57
on the divisions i think its a good thing , bigger leagues neans if 1 team does pull out teams r left with more then 10 league games.. as 4 the positioning of them im all for puttin so called bigger teams down the league in higher place. maybe even with the likes of emap/lord burghley among others ....
n maybe 1 big super FA cup stylee for all divisions instead of a league cup ?? only team that cant enter are netherton reserves aint it ? maybe another reserves.... hmmm final at wembley maybe with all that money that is supposed to be saved behind the scenes lol
and as 4 all this voting for and against lol..... sounds like somethin out of star wars . come on ob1
surely we should let football be the winner lol
mattsedd
17-06-2007, 09:42
what a speach.
I vote for eddie!
Back of the Net
18-06-2007, 12:20
he's got my vote
majority will rule at the AGM though :lol:
royalmail
18-06-2007, 12:44
Back of the Net. Can u let me know exactly who these prem or similar standard players are i have asked to sign for r.mail....It amazes me how your secret contact heard this when the only player i have asked this year is me ol mucker crotty !!!!! Your private detective u hired has obviously taken ya money and gone for a few beers. :beer: Or is this more garbage intending to wind people up ? :blh:
Back of the Net
18-06-2007, 14:18
EH??
I said that someone I knew who was close to the committee had heard you were asking more players to sign for you and as a result (in my own opinion) thats maybe why they promoted you to the Prem.. I didn't state it as fact as I have no idea what you're up to regards signing players - was just trying to offer an opion as to why they made the decision, and it is just my opinion - could be wrong!
Crikey mate, I said I think perhaps the promotion to the Prem is too high for you and I let you know the league tables are not finalised, the committee want to hear from anyone who's not happy ASAP... thought I was doing you a favour mate - wont bother next time !
Back of the Net
19-06-2007, 08:33
Just had an email conversation with Ron at Netherton and it appears that I or someone else have mentioned his name on here as a possible replacement for the league Secretary should that vacancy arise for whatever reason.
I have sincerely apologised to Ron and would like to say for us all to see, that any mention of his name (although I cant recall typing it on here to be honest) was purely my own opinion and I for one have NEVER heard Ron or anyone else from Netherton comment on the whole situation.
I think it was most likely a mention that someone like him would be a good option in the role should it be vacant, but only in my own opinion,
I guess it can perhaps get blown out of proportion and maybe taken the wrong way after it's passed on by several people etc?
royalmail
19-06-2007, 12:12
Back of the Net : HaHa, It looks like you been telling porkies again eh!!!!! Nevermind, a good try to get out of it again!!!!! Going back to the footy now, the word on the street is that you are chasing after a well known and very successfull sunday prem campaigner. This will be so unfair on all the Div 1 teams this year, maybe you should be brave and do battle in the prem this year!!!!! Doubt it HaHaHa... :bby:
Back of the Net
19-06-2007, 12:49
Back of the Net : HaHa, It looks like you been telling porkies again eh!!!!! Nevermind, a good try to get out of it again!!!!! Going back to the footy now, the word on the street is that you are chasing after a well known and very successfull sunday prem campaigner. This will be so unfair on all the Div 1 teams this year, maybe you should be brave and do battle in the prem this year!!!!! Doubt it HaHaHa... :bby:
:lol: yeah right... look back on this thread and you'll see what I posted about Ron - clearly I did not involve him in any way and never have - I apologised for mentioning his name though out of politeness and nothing more... nice try mate but not biting on that front!
As for a Prem Player... nice try again, we have 3 new lads lined up for next season and not a single one has been anywhere near the Sunday prem in their life, we've not approached any others either.... still a good attempt at fishing though!
I did hear you're signing 3 Blackstones lads though, so I'm positive you'll do ok in the Prem - good luck mate!
Love all this banter, can't beat friendly rivalry. I am away for a week so I hope whatever happens at the AGM is good for Sunday Morning Football. Somebody or some people are going to be disappointed with the result of the vote, I only hope that they accept the decision of a democracy and the Sunday Football begins to get back on track. As for me personally I hope to be involved somewhere. Spec old mate I understand that because of work commitments you are not involved on Saturdays. Are you still going to be turning out for Woodston Veterans ? :lol:
Hello Mick, I shall be signing for them on Sundays but realistically speaking will not have much opportunity to turn out, I think a break from football is what is needed for me.
Like yourself I love all this Sunday banter and it hasn't got too serious which is how it should stay.
Me and Flyyny will be in touch during the season Mick as we are planning some great trips out to watch various teams on Saturdays which I am sure will include your beloved Wolves (if you can keep up in the drinking stakes that is!!), hope you are well and see you soon.
you may find it hard to resist posh games this season spec if they produce the goods they ought to this season.
Mick. whats your number buddy? (PM me)
Jellybelly
20-06-2007, 11:57
Spec
Hope your ok mate.
if i was you, i'd give the posh games a miss! i think we played better football during the good old days at Nene!!
jelly belly i got some good pics here. linford !!!!!!
Seriously thought about taking in a few Posh games jb, and then the last 2 nights on the back page of the ET has made me think again, I thought by now he would have been put out to grass but he's still there larger than life and lording it up.
I am very well Kenny thanks and if the craic was still like it was in those days I would find time for another year!
Tommy Trophy
20-06-2007, 21:09
Spec, bar open before, during and after game at PNS this year - what is your favourite brand of Bacardi (as I wrote it I thought "you complete idiot" but have kept in to make you laugh!)
Also get to see Peterborough lads turning out and your old mate Torch included - good time guaranteed and footie might not be too bad either.
Already planned to come and see you Tommy, quality Bacardi pun and fair play to you leaving it on here!, I sincerely hope you do well this year as Peterborough needs a side to represent it properly in the UCL.
Will be going to watch as many games as work permits and if it's not professional football which obviously needs proper planning in advance then I shall get up early on a Saturday morning and get my jobs done then wander off and watch my beloved Fletton as much as possible or come down to Chestnut and sample your hospitality, great potential with the squad you are amassing but perhaps a couple of 'hard men' needed with them to get out of a 'bruisers' league but I'm sure you know what you are doing.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOME F*****G ICE (not for the above comment about hard men but for my drink).
Back of the Net
22-06-2007, 09:29
All this talk of Ascot... any tips/thoughts?
Picked a few out after a quick glance at the R Post - for what it's worth here they are!
2.30
Loch Jipp 20/1 e/w - 9th 25/1
Janina 4/1 win - 6th 4/1
3.05
Lucarno 9/4 win - 2nd 5/2
3.45
Mi Emma 6/1 (strongly fancy this) - 2nd 10/3
4.20
Lake Poet 11/1 win
4.55
Darestan 6/1 win
5.30
Wise Dennis 8/1 win (more it rains the better for this one)
:beer:
3.05 Ascot Yellowstone (each way) currently 12's
F*****g horrible weather, if it's like this tomorrow Bainer and Tommy will be stuffing their little fat bellys all day undercover
Wise Dennis should run well but would do it each way at 8's (2/1 a place of 4). Watch out for Pride of Nation, pulled from a race Wednesday and they normally come good when that happens
Brillant tom and spec - love the ice bit spec!! Not sure tom not realised til after he put it on and not before :soo:
Looking forward to seeing you next season and hopefully if my slimming keeps going the way it is and my leg ok pre season then I will be playing at my beloved sweeper!!
As for an ascot tip
Veracity - 4.55 - M.Jarvis said it was his best chance of a winner all week!! Was around 8/1
I have read through all the posts about the agm and discontent etc. There is obviously an amount of people who are unhappy with some of the committee. I would like to see a post on this forum where all posters say who they are and what team they play for or are associated with.
I only ask this as i do not understand who is from what clubs. etc
There are 43 teams approx in the four leagues yet only a few post on here. More explanations of the discontent maybe????
I am Warren I play for the star inn fc and I am Also assistant-manager.
I would disagree with the earlier comments about the star with chris hutchcraft and andy wayte and other prem players(there are no others). Chris and andy missed half the season......The rest of the team is of lower league players and people who are loyal to the star inn.
Also if we adopted the collapsed league idea the whole of div 3 would be the same as div 4 was last year barring 3 new teams. What is the point of that.
When teams are far to strong for a division surely they should progress...
This should be fair though..
Just thought i would respond and probably do already know some of you.
So hello guys. Look forward to seeing you at the agm on sunday...
Stewards enquiry on the tipping stakes!! Foggy I would have won if we had taken early prices (which most proper punters do) but yours drifted like a barge before the off so you got better SP.
Back of the net you had a touch of seconditus and have a bit to learn about punting (big meetings like Ascot you should be betting each way with anything over 4/1 because most horses are there to win and you normally find that 1 or 2 per race have been specially prepared for the meeting).
After the stewards enquiry Spec is the winner :lol:
Can anyone tell me if Goldhay United got into the league yesterday?
Back of the Net
25-06-2007, 08:25
No idea mate, they mentioned 3 new teams but I didn't catch their names!
AGM yesterday - FARCE!
Just to let others know what happened (from what we saw anyway!)
Leagues are going to be bigger but arguments over who's in the Prem.
Royal Mail want to drop a league and Parkway (or is it parkside) who finished 2nd or 3rd in Div 1? they want to drop to Div 2, the committee actually considered this instead of immediatley promoting them - you can imagine how Royal Mail felt about it all....
The vote that we were promised was blocked - the Secretary sought help from the Northants FA who closed ranks with him and railroaded any talk of a vote against him.
I actually spoke up against it and mentioned we were within our rights to vote but as someone mentioned on here previously (Spec I think?) they closed ranks and got rid of any talk of it - what a farce...
Several clubs had rung all other member clubs and going by what they'd all said we had a VAST majority wanting change but instead of listening to it's memmber clubs the Secretary and NFA blocked it citing a rule we'd apparently missed even though we'd been advised by the committee that all was well with it.
This website was mentioned also, the northants FA (Derek Vernum) went on about without actually having seen the site, the Secretary also mentioned it but they all failed to mention the praise that most of the committee get on here.
that was that really...
i hope emap stick to the letter of the law this season BOTN! any t's not crossed and any i's not dotted will probably result in a 10 point deduction. :lol:
Back of the Net
25-06-2007, 09:50
i hope emap stick to the letter of the law this season BOTN! any t's not crossed and any i's not dotted will probably result in a 10 point deduction. :lol:
hahahaha 10 points deduction would be getting off lightly I reckon!
We're in for a right rough ride, saying that the committee didn't come out of it smelling of roses either!
Seriously though, it aint done yet - many people are totally hacked off that Derek V (recent heart attack) had to get off his sick bed to defend the secretary using a rule that was over looked, he sat there smug as you like not caring that the majority of clubs wanted to vote him out and change things, total FARCE!
How could you sit on a committee and block a vote from the people you represent and get someone off their sick bed to do it for you?
keep your eyes peeled in the local press for details on what went on behind the scenes etc, we dont want it swept under the carpet and the committee stating it was a minority breaking rules etc...
Fair dues spec, was unlucky with that one though but had it each way!! :snt:
Super Jube
25-06-2007, 11:16
Yes Big G Goldhay got voted into Div 2, I agree tge AGM was a total farce!!!
royalmail
25-06-2007, 12:10
Nice to see Emap and R.Mail lock horns again this season. No need for that friendly now eh... Bit gutted really, :lol: should of told the league to put us in Div 2 instead, they prob would of done!!!!! Then again, with Goldhay and Parkway in Div 2, maybe should of asked to stay in Div 3 :lol: Seriously though hope all teams av a good season...
royalmail
25-06-2007, 12:57
You must be making room on the sideboard already for that league title G. Div 2 my son ? You'll do that with your eyes closed !!!!! I understand your frustration BOTN but at the end of the day the commitee will just keep referring to the constitution which says any opposition should be put in writing with names of candidates. Don't go giving them any more ammo to throw at you and concentrate on the football (for now). It is something that you can come back to. Good luck BOTN.
Back of the Net
25-06-2007, 12:58
yeah we won't want to give our tactics and SUPER signings away till we meet in the league :lol: .
Glad it was sorted for ya as I said all along the promotion to the Prem was maybe a bit much.
Saw the ET today, it mentions Fred Johnsons rant against this website even though by his own admission he had never seen it till recently and was only acting on info fed to him from others (errr the Secretary perhaps? my own opinion before anyone starts!).
Emap and Hampton are also mentioned as being against the Committee which is way off the mark - we were against the Secretary as were many people in the room but he sat back and let the Northants FA (Derek who's really ill at present) 'whitewash' the whole thing for him because he sits on the Northants FA. Complete and utter Farce.
Anyone notice how we all of a sudden get an offer of £100 back per club if we remain debt free this season? last minute call to try and buy support perhaps? was it agreed by 100% of the committee or was it rushed through last minute as a panic measure? :soo:
See ya next season for another 2 well contested games, tell Hemps we'll have tissues at the ready and someone really understanding on the sidelines should he need a hug or a sympathetic ear :lol: :lol: :lol:
royalmail
25-06-2007, 13:04
:lol: :lol: :lol: Like it BOTN but be cearful !!! He's got himself loved up :hug: and if anyone kicks him they could be in trouble !!!!!!!
Goldhay team not as strong as people think. 5/6 good players but the rest are young Orton lads.
Put this team together for two reasons?
1) Need to get the old man (Tony Agius) back into action, nearly 70 and as the Manager he needs to be back involved in local football
2) Orton needs to have something for the local lads, old and young.
royalmail
25-06-2007, 13:26
And two superb reasons for doing it mate. Will be nice to see your Dad on the sidelines again fella. As for the team, you know what the rumour tree is like !!!!!! Rumour has it that Tyler might have a good game this season!!!!!!! I'm not so sure.
Thanks buddy. not sure about the Tyler thing :lol: :lol:
http://www.sports-mascots.co.uk/BKAM_MANUNITED_FRED.jpg.
Can't believe you let him get the better of you!
Just found out its not Goldhay United but Goldhay Rangers that got in :soo: :soo: :soo: :soo:
We wont find out till 9th July .. (watch this space)
Just seen the article on the ET website criticizing comments on here ......
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=846&articleid=2978963 .
I've added a brief response but maybe those dissenting voices amongst you might consider taking your fight to the ET website. Registration takes ten seconds, then you are free to post a response on the site, under the article.
Maybe broadening the debate(s) to cover the ET site too might prove ...... interesting !
2 thoughts.
Firstly I was always suspicious about any committee doing votes for each memeber 'en mass'. Haven't seen that done anywhere else before. If someone was told that was possible then they have been conned. If clubs want to take it further, they should be entitled to call an EGM. Though for that check the consitution because this committee quite clearly know it well.
Second thought. Why do the ET have do refer to this forum as a 'well-known internet forum'. It makes it sould like this forum is a bad thing, yet they're more than happy to use this to write their stories. I bet they're on it every day.
So what exactly is the problem with Sunday morning football?
Why is there a witch hunt for Titman?
(facts only, please, not conjecture or b*tching)
Just seen the article on the ET website criticizing comments on here ......
Paul as I said in a previous post I thought we lived in a democracy and so therefore we are all intitled to an opinion. I personally belive that this forum is good for local football as a meeting place etc. A point demonstrated by the various clubs who post on here promoting training and friendlies etc. It also has healthy debate a majority of which is good natured. Occasionally it can be controversial and for league or Association officials can be hurtful, I know from personal experience. Overall I think we do a good job on controlling the comments that maybe considered over the top.
What seems to be missed is some very valid ideas are raised and instead of the leagues/Associations simply brushing these ideas aside as being critical comments. Perhaps they could take forward these valid ideas and work together for the bettermant of local football. Remember we all love our great game. If the officials don't like the contents of this forum then in my opinion they could always browse other sites in the way you can switch over your TV if you don't like a particular programme.
BOTN I think you have raised some very good points over past months but what people dont realise is that there is no democracy in football. I have found personally that if you have an opinion and speak out against parties that's it you will be branded every name under the sun, slandered left right n centre no matter how hard you try behind the scenes for your team or cause.
You see its not about any game on the pitch there's a bigger game being played off it.
For example: I was going to put a team in the Sunday afternoon league (accounts for the season fully paid cash in advance) at the meeting tonight (not Bluebell players new lads just me secretary) chairman rang Monday and said dont attend for a vote and he would not embarass me! Just because I spoke out about them in the past. Yet I have no suspension against me having paid towards these players debts they are still suspended to this day owing and being considered, now you tell me it aint personal...
This is a good site for ligitimate debate and is a credit to those who run it... its a good voice for managers and players when used correctly... dont be gagged and enjoy the new season.
Andy, who are you associated with club wise?
Mr Chambers, good point and I think the fact that Fred Johnson stands up in the middle of the AGM and slaughters this site sums a few of them up (well the main mouthpieces who dictate the voting anyway), they are out of touch with reality, the internet is a modern way of communicating with people and the present commitee are behind the times.
I said a few months ago that the Sunday morning league is in great decline and needs a massive input of younger people very very quickly, I also said it will get worse year on year and has anything happened at the latest AGM to dispute that, I don't think so, just another cover up to protect an individual who is not right for the job.
To say the commitee is naive regarding the legal standings of re-electment is an understatement :whs:
I'm not associated with any club in morning football. I've turned out for a few teams on a Sunday morning, to help mates out, but have no real affiliation. I have, however, run a side in another Sunday league and was just curious to see what people thought were the problems with the PSMFL - the real problems, not people feeling aggrieved at fines for poor administration etc..
I'll be refereeing next season - so be nice to me!
jingle bells
28-06-2007, 11:46
In response to Andy and other comments RE: the state of Sunday morning football. I agree, it is in decline and the buck must stop with Titman. His ideas/plans/actions have not worked over the past few years. Many clubs are disgruntled and want to see a change in leadership. Why he wishes to continue as secretary when he knows he doesn't have the backing of the majority of the clubs is beyond me. Perhaps an EGM should be called with a petition "signed by the majority of the clubs" to remove him and place someone else in on a temporary basis until they can advertsie the position.
Back of the Net
28-06-2007, 12:04
looks like many people on here at least understand what's going on within the PSMFL - it was a cover up and the ET reporting was useless at best.
the ET state that Hampton and EMAP spoke out against the committee - I called Mark Plummer and demanded he retract it as EMAP and Hampton only spoke out against the Secretary, Mark wouldnt have any of it and listened to the committee as they closed ranks and labelled us a minority of trouble makers! FARCE.
What did actually happen was this:
Derek Vernum repping the Northants FA was called in at short notice to bail the current Secretary out, they all new we had a majority of people wanting to vote the Secretary off our committee so they get the NFA to whitewash it, Derek approached me 10 mins BEFORE the AGM and said we'd missed a rule that meant we wont get this vote we were promised -
I said thats a joke and you cant drop that on us 10 mins before the AGM when you lot clearly knew about it for days.... shrugged his shoulders and they all closed ranks and defended the Secretary as he sat there with a smug look on his face.
How can anyone sit there and stay on the committee by getting Derek (recent heart attack) to defend you, whilst thinking perhaps the majority of clubs you represent want you out?
Derek mentioned the website but in the same breath then admitted he'd never seen it - whose tainted views was he speaking from we wonder? We did stand up and say many of the committee get heaps of praise on here and it's a valid forum with great ideas etc - did they listen? not with the Secretary painting such a poor picture of us they didn't!
Telio - yes we can call an EGM but I think a vote of no confidence will be easier and we can do that at any time - just for the reasons above should be enough? but there's loads of clubs with loads of reasons as to why they don't think he's the right man to take us forward...
Rant over :lol:
Excuse my ignorance, and i'm really not trying to sh*t stir at all, but how can the Secretary be responsible? Surely the role of Secretary doesn't enable just one person to make decisions on behalf of the league, and nor should it be the focus for all that is percieved to be wrong with the league.
Why is Sunday morning football in decline?
Back of the Net
28-06-2007, 12:19
Andy - sorry mate but you quite clearly dont know the current Secretary do you? when you do you'll understand why many are calling for change...
Of course he aint the sole problem - but he really does antagonize and bully many clubs-players-managers etc.. many want change and thats the subject we're talking about... many feel if we did get change then other (younger?) people may join the committee and drive it forward, with him on the committee I'm affraid no person worth his salt wants to help out as it'd be more hassle than it's worth!
If you want a discussion on the wider issue of Sunday morning football maybe thats for another thread on here or elsewhere mate?
all my own opinion of course :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Apologies. Thought it best to ask the questions in this thread as it all seemed pretty relevant.
I know Titman quite well from playing down at the Embankment. He's always seemed polite and courteous, hence my asking what the problems were.
Back of the Net
28-06-2007, 12:43
no need to apologise mate, the Secretary is a different person when behind an FA rulebook trust us! anyway if you want to know more you can simply wait till you start reffing and ask a few clubs, I'm sure most will have their own reasons in preffering change?
Good luck in the season ahead, we need new refs so I hope it goes alright for ya mate.
First of all it should be made quite clear that Mr Titman is not totally responsible for the decline in Sunday Morning football. Also it should be clearly stated that it is not just EMAP and Hampton FC who have been dissatisfied with the league Secretary. You only have to read through this forum to see that this feeling has been going on for at least 2 seasons if not longer. I always thought that a committe was elected to represent it's members and if after a certain period of time the majority of its members were not happy with any member of a committee then they should have the democratic right to elect someone else.I personally find this forum very amusing as well as educating and sometimes very helpful. There is a very good cross section from local football, some very outspoken, some bloody minded but isn't everyone entitled to an opinion. I'm convinved that the commitee think that only a few members are against the secretary, if not then they have no pride and do not represent the majority view. Maybe all the people who want a change should put it writing and put their names to it, perhaps Mr. Plummer should be given a copy. Don't understand Fred at all, I have always found him to be an ok bloke. Commitee's that close ranks to protect single members border on what is usually called a Dictatorship. :soo:
At that beloved club' Bluebell several league officials made sure the book stopped with me as Club Secretary (look at my last post in this topic!) and all the blame poured in my direction despite there being several people above me all because I was secretary... So whats different?
The above is certainly no comment against Nick Titman, its just a point people have tried damn hard to make clear to me. I'm sure Nick Titman and his colleagues try their best for the league in their own way but there is alot of parties in local football that tend to group against each other as opposed to work together - need to all start pulling in the right direction and stop seeing each other as enemies. Them and Us wont work. There's only one winner with all this public back stabbing - the press.
Toatlly agree with you lee......also I was at the agm and every club bar 4 was represented out of 44 yet i only heard 2 complain.....
However it was not that clear as to the process to elect or put forward delegates for a position on the comittee......
My understanding is if an individual is interested in applying for a position on the comittee he must apply himself by 1st of june.... 2008 ( ready for the next agm)
This person should then get anyone wishing to back him to support his application with individual letters of support to the committee before the same date.
I am sure you have your reasons for being unhappy but we all live every day by rules and as long as we understand them and do not break any we will escape any penalties.....
hope that helps or stirs up the nest a bit.....lol
royalmail
02-07-2007, 07:40
I've got to agree with you Wozzer. I was at the AGM with Royal Mail manager and secretary and the tables we were sat at and the ones around us did'nt seem to have a problem with the current league secretary and commitee.
Back of the Net
02-07-2007, 08:03
hahahaha - R Mail, your club was one of just 5 clubs that said they'd support the current Secretary - I also saw hempo and Secretary sat alone, so who are you??? HEMPS?
Anyway, Limetree were sat near you and they were fuming at what happened along with several others close to where Hemps was sat, it's just that like always clubs will sit and say nothing even if they do want a change - it's easier that way i guess.
I always thought that Clubs were only allowed two representatives at the A.G.M., If that is still correct then Royal Mail if you sat with Hemps and his club sec then you must be attached to another club, Maybe Jubilee North End ? :soo: What has happened is now past and should be forgotten for now. What is most importatant is that the present decline in Sunday Moning Football is somehow reversed. Lets see the clubs playing their parts so that if there is no improvement at the end of the season the fault lies not with them. I really think for this season it is time this topic was put to bed.
And on that note this thread has now been locked
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