View Full Version : squeeky bum time!!
was at the moulton v psl game today, moulton came through 2-0 winners.
good competitive game, a lot of talent on show and im sure it was enjoyed by the fairly large crowd.
two questions arise
1 - will this psychologically affect the sports lads, as i believe that is two losses in a row?
2 - having never actiually won it, do moulton have the bottle at this squeeky bum time of the season?!!
tom flynn
18-03-2007, 11:46
I fully expect Moulton to go on and win the league Tugay. We had 6 players missing yesterday and GAVE Moulton 2 goals.We came back into the game after a couple of substitutions and should have scored a couple.As we pushed forward Moulton missed two 1 on 1s.Was disgusted with the referee for the sending off.Whatever happened to common sense reffing.2 mins to go ffs.I have never slated referees as i am 1 myself but that was pathetic and i dont care who knows it.This had no bearing on Moultons victory, so good luck to them in the final.Many thanks also to Moulton for the loan of their kit yesterday and the good wishes for the Northants Cup Final.
carefree
18-03-2007, 12:18
its soul distroying to see all our hard work this season start to fall apart.
two soft goals from us at moulton but with so many top name players out for one reason or another i can honestly say that we will struggle to hold on to 2nd place in the league.
injuries ect are out off our hands, but at least tommy,pat and myself and all at psl can hold our heads up with pride as there is no blame on anyone for having to play with the cards we currently hold.
if we can't over come these problems and moulton do go on to win the league then all i can do is praise them for it, moulton are a great bunch of lads on the pitch and behind the scenes, and i for one wouldn't want to see anyone else take the crown.
Was a good close game yesterday played in the right spirit by both sides with chances both ends & we are well pleased to get through to the final, as stated PSL had a good few players missing through injury however they are still a very good side and I would expect them to win the majority of their remaining games.
Thought the sending off of the PSL forward was absolutely ridiculous as the ref didn't even see the incident (not that it was much of an incident), how that warranted a second yellow card I'll never know.
Hope PSL can field a full strength side for their Northants cup final and all the very best of luck to them , hope they win it.
I don't think you will struggle to hold on for 2nd place Al, I just hope you don't start going the way we have, once you have nothing to play for it's amazing how many players become unavailable, I had 5 missing Saturday for the nice trip out to Wimblington and it showed in the performance that the fighting spirit has gone, usually have about 20 people watching us as well and not 1 turned up Saturday, me and Hanks as subs and he had to run the line as our regular lino was also unavailable, I cut a lone and forlorn figure sat on the bench all on my own!! where did it all go wrong :lol:
9 games to go, Flynny perhaps a few trips out to watch some games ay ??
carefree
19-03-2007, 10:01
its a real shame to hear that spec, as you are one of the few teams that could upset moulton for the title, if players have taken that attitude then the title race is already over for us and won for moulton.
was a bad weekend for us but hey one of my many son's cheered me up by scoring against psl under 13's for crowland yesterday! lol
tom flynn
19-03-2007, 13:36
o yes Spec definately mate
Mixed emotions then having the 'one of many sons' score against a side you were very instrumental in setting up.
On a positive note for the end of season run-in, I at least saw some very hurt pride after the game from the majority of players which is a good thing and I also have a couple of 'old boys' returning to the camp soon so all maybe not lost yet but that won't help you either because we still have you to play as well!!
They'll still be a few shocks yet, there always is
Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4
20-03-2007, 07:15
Spec reading your comments regarding players not being available for whatever reason :soo: , have played against your reserve team this year and there is about 2 or 3 players in that team very capable of playing in the prem. So why not call them up? Isnt that what they are their for?
Barwars!! let you have the computer back then have they :lol: Nice to hear from you again, get some posts on here....
Shaun, they won't play for us mate, big fish in small ponds and all that, they are worse than us lot with availability, I have given them countless players over the season just for them to get a side out and weakened ours in the process but when it comes to returning the favour it doesn't happen
Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4
20-03-2007, 22:29
Sounds like alot of teams in the Peterborough football league Spec. When i moved down here and found teams like this i was gobsmacked!! :soo: Cant understand it, if players are gonna be like that they should form their own team. Then again maybe it just shows these boys have no ambition and need to play in a lower league just so they feel special!! :mnn:
Cant understand it, if players are gonna be like that they should form their own team. Then again maybe it just shows these boys have no ambition and need to play in a lower league just so they feel special!! :mnn:
It is that sort of attitude that fully justifies the reasoning behind the decision by the league to separate First team and Reserve sides last season. A move that in my opinion was correct. I feel for Spec, because he works hard for his clubs both present and past (Three Horseshoes, thanks mate!!!) and deserves better from some.
Celtic 2, The Mighty Gers 4
20-03-2007, 22:49
Cham must say that is a very good and valid point!!
It all comes down to attitude and ego's these days, there are only very few players (and this is aimed at mainly under 25's) that you can give advice to or try and better their game that don't take offence to it, I have had probably 4 players leave me over 3 seasons over things I have said to them during a game or at half time and you have to bear in mind that I have never ever singled a player out verbally in front of the rest of the side, at worst it has been constructive criticism but I think things like this get exaggerated when it has left the changing rooms and by the time it has spread round the club and into the reserves earshot I have probably murdered the player and killed his family!!
I used to listen to senior players when I was coming through and learnt alot from them and most managers I played for had my utmost respect simply because they were the manager (as it should be in every walk of life not just football) unfortunately society has changed and you either change with it and accept it or you get out of the game. Answers on a postcard to which one I'm doing :lol:
Bring back National Service that's what I say :misch:
Chris Judge
21-03-2007, 16:31
Mark
Surely the decision to have a Resrve league is not justified because a few Fletton Reserves wont play in the first team
So those clubs that have a proper reserve soide with players who will move up and down are being penalised now.
I thought at the time it was a mad decision and you have justified that now
By the Way Spec you are quite right about the under 25s
There are an awful lot of managers around this area who are fed up with the younger players' attitudes these days
Sorry Chris I don't think I said it was because of a few Fletton players it was meant as a generalisation. You have your opinion that the separation of the Reserves was the wrong decision I have mine and that is that it was the correct decision. Perkins Reserves are a perfect illustration of a well run Reserves side who have benefitted by the change. Not sure they would have necessarily been as successful under the old structure.
Anyway this subject has been aired before and besides this thread is about attitude of certain players and I have always had the view that a Reserve string should be run for the benefit of the clubs Senior side, otherwise it may as well be another club. Nice to hear from you again though See you soon.
Tommy Trophy
21-03-2007, 18:25
Sorry chaps - couldn't keep away. Just to be clear I am one of the few people on St.Lucia who does NOT claim to have been drinking with Freddie last Friday - though he did come past our hotel beach on his pedallo.
Hard luck to the 2 Peterborough sides in the PFA cup last weekend, but Moulton v Alconbury should be a good final.
Sure Tommy.F and co will get PSL up for the Northants Cup Final and lay that Peterborough League bogey to rest - good luck guys.
I too agree that splitting the reserve teams out has worked quite well and is in the best long term interests of the league - but I also agree with CJ that not for the reasons that Fletton find themselves in. I would never have put up with that and neither did previous Ortonians managers - what does the committee at Fletton think? - do they think it is okay?
Every sympathy with Spec as this has gone on from before his time at the club, but is not conjusive to long term stability or success
carefree
21-03-2007, 18:45
so why let them play under the fletton flag then??
sounds like they have got it too easy. get them to start their own team next season.
if that were the case at psl it would be goodbye to all the reserve team players and management and start again fresh, i'm sure there are plenty of under 18 managers and players that would love to keep their current team going next season and play in an adult league.
bluestar
21-03-2007, 19:43
Mark - whilst I wholeheartedly believe that forming the Reserves leagues was the right decision I totally disagree to quote "that the reserve string should be run for the benefit of the clubs Senior side, otherwise it may as well be another club".
Surely the primary aim has to be to build a club for ALL players signed on for that club irrespective of which team they play for - I will admit that I found it far easier running a one club team than I ever have running the reserves. since joining Whittlesey United for example in my experience I have had problems in moving players both ways i.e. up to the 1sts or down to the reserves.
I ran the reserves with the intention of providing the 1st team with new players, unfortunately despite pushing players up - very few 1st teamers want to move the other way - indeed they would rather watch the 1st team, when dropped, than play for the "stiffs"
There are exeptions - and used properly as has been the case with Dave Taylor - comng back from serious injury this year, the benefit was clear to all, Dave regained his fitness with the reserves and the youngsters in the reserves benefitted from having a top player play with them for a few weeks. Sadly, certainly with Whittlesey, this is the exception rather than the rule.
Chris Judge
21-03-2007, 19:57
Not sure how you think Perkins Res have benefitted Mark
They now play against Ramsey res and Werrington Res when they used to play their first teams in Division One
Anyway good luck to them tonight in their final
Anyway good luck to them tonight in their final
That says it all Chris plus the 2 PFA finals of course!
Chris Judge
21-03-2007, 22:04
Oh Dear Mark
They now play against teams like Werrington res and ramsey res in the PFA Minor Cup as well whereas they used to play Deeping Rangers and other teams in the PFA Challenge Cup.
So no real surprise that they play in the final after all they are top of the Combination One table and they would probably be near the top in Division One with the side they have too
I am sure they would be happier back in Division One too and perhaps the manager may confirm that
Chris I don't really want to go over the Reserve side, Senior side debate again and again and again. It has happened lets move on. Anyway it's the Junior Cup. End of subject now I feel.
Chris Judge
21-03-2007, 22:16
You were the person who mentioned it first but obvioulsy have no answer to my last comment so that is no surprise either so we will close on that
most clubs ban players who refuse to play for the senior side from turning out for any of the clubs other sides on the day of the game that they were required for. does this not happen at fletton?
bluestar
22-03-2007, 07:23
I think thats a simplistic and heavy handed view JB - Take the scenario of someone dropping out of the first team at late notice due to an unforseen problem - I would then be expected to provide the 1st team with a player from the reserves - I dont have a problem with that - However the next week the absent 1st team player returns, - ideally if the reserve who replaced him had a good game then he would retain his place in the 1st team and this returning player would come into the reserves.
- ain't gonna happen in the real world - so next time a similar situation occurs, that reserve player ain't gonna want to play for the 1st team! - and I wouldn't dream of dropping him because of his refusal - and I bet you this happens in most clubs- or at least those that are trying to win their respective 1st team leagues and not the fair play trophy at the end of the season!!
i totally agree with your point as too many "star" players who are unavailable for a week and walk straight back in to the team regardless of how well their replacement had played. the other point is when you sign for a reserve team you know the crap that comes with it i.e. get used and abused by the 1st team. as mark has said the reserve teams are there as a resource for the 1st team and if players dont like it then they shouldn't play for a reserve side. 1st teams also need to treat reserve players with a bit more respect which i know many do and many dont.
Chris I don't really want to go over the Reserve side, Senior side debate again and again and again. It has happened lets move on. Anyway it's the Junior Cup. End of subject now I feel.
I don't feel that I should have justify my opinion on any matter. This is a forum for everybodys opinions after all.
My two penneth.
Not gonna say anymore about the splitting of the divisions, other than brill. Interesting that I heard on the news that some of the English Prem managers want there ressies to play in the football league. Exactly the example I used on this site ages ago. Would be interesting to see if Brum would be happy with Arsenal and Man U ressies in the Championship !!!
As for the Reserves/Firsts players scenario. As I have spoken to Mick about this before on how it works at Coates, for what its worth. I constantly preach that we are a football club and not two football teams. You sign for the club. Pretty much the only rule we have is that if you are busted out of the first team, you start for the ressies. Other than that we don't tie ourselves down to players not getting straight back into the forst team, if we believe they are good enough and we have had players who have stepped up and held down a place, some longer than others. And yes we have a lot of players who think they can dictate how things are run and we have to manage that. Lost one player and had one player quit because he was sub, he changed his mind.
Jellybelly
22-03-2007, 15:32
Chris, i think we used up all of your good luck (and more!!) last night, but thankfully we brought the cup home with us. Won 2 - 1 against a very good side. Didn't play well, but the lads did me proud by never giving up.
With regards to my thoughts on the splitting of the league, it has made my job harder to try and get players to come to the club, and i firmly believe that if we were not succesful, then that would be even harder.
Spec, hope you are well mate, and if you are looking for something to do next season, you are the right age (and shape) to play at centre half for me!!
Well done Kenneth, quality result for you last night mate but I was a little dissapointed to have to wait until I got the ET tonight to see how you got on, I would have thought you would have been on here first thing this morning lording it, you were either too hungover or still as modest as you've always been!! congratulations to you and Clarkey, a top pair of blokes and next season well you never know, it's nice to be wanted!!
Will reply to previous posts asap, bit flat out at the minute
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