Time to change??

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With the recent demise of The Royal Oak side and Limetree, 3 Horseshoes etc etc before them,
isn't it time the PSMFL had a rethink on how the leagues are put together? :soo:

I've had a few discussions with one or 2 other managers of Sunday teams and it seems they agree
that perhaps bigger leagues would be a step in the right direction?
What would everyone think too say 4 leagues with 10, 11 or 12 in each??

I've been told it's not that hard to push through, just have one or 2 managers of Sunday clubs agree with the idea and put it to the PSMFL 8 weeks prior to the AGM, have someone 2nd it and with backing it MUST go through whatever the committee thinks - their own rules state they are here to serve the football clubs in the leagues after all,

I just thought I'd see if anyone else has thoughts on this and if they'd maybe back the idea??
Obviously we need more refs and better discipline etc etc but from what I've seen and heard at games and meetings/AGM it seems everyone wants bigger leagues to increase competition?
The point isn't how much of a decline Sunday football is in and who's to blame etc, simply just one suggestion on how it may improve slightly!

[spec]

4 leagues of 12 would be good, a cup for leagues 1 and 2, a cup for leagues 3 and 4 and a PFA Cup for everyone, won't happen though.

[jb]

of course it wont its too logical!

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it is very logical and it could work... I've spoken to a few others who are behind it and mentioning no names but at least one person on the PSMFL would back it (or something very similar)....
We just need a few people - players and managers to get behind it and with enough votes it HAS TO happen according to their own rules!!

it's too easy to sit and say it'll never happen and pick easy targets to blame etc but it is up to us to force the issue as clearly no one else will..
I've got 2 other Managers who say they'll back a similar proposal - any others??? PM me or post on here!
Spec and a few others on here know who I am and how to contact me also so if interested or know anyone who may be let us know!

can't hurt to try i suppose :soo:

[Cham1]

4 leagues of 12 would be good, a cup for leagues 1 and 2, a cup for leagues 3 and 4 and a PFA Cup for everyone, won't happen though.

Before too long there will only be enough teams to have one PFA Cup. As it is I am suggesting to the PFA that we look at one cup for First teams and one for Reserves, assuming there are enough teams. Not sure there will be though.

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Before too long there will only be enough teams to have one PFA Cup. As it is I am suggesting to the PFA that we look at one cup for First teams and one for Reserves, assuming there are enough teams. Not sure there will be though.

Mark... are we still talking Sunday league here mate? 1 cup for 1st team and 1 for reserves?? how many reserve teams are there in the Sunday leagues? just 2 I think, so thats a Netherton res v Farcet res final then :lol:

the point was that we need bigger leagues in Sunday football to increase competition and keep teams interested for longer, it may help bring back a few we've lost recently and may attract new clubs and players etc?
just need a few guys to get on board and vote for it!

[eddie c s]

well from last year wasnt 4 teams turned away ?? and are we not in the 5th year of the masterplan next year>? im sure everyone is intrested to see what happens ......

im all for bigger leagues, of at least 11 teams and a pfa cup for all teams . wouldnt be netherton reserves as they cant play in at at present anyway cause doesnt it take teams from first 3 leagues? ......

anyway watch this space i guess

[jb]

the weather used to be absolutely shocking on sunday mornings but there were still 2 maybe 3 times more teams who very rarely struggled to get a side out. you used to play in freezing torrential downpours and in the snow but people still had the enthusiasm to play in the sunday morning leagues. fast forward to now and almost every sunday morning has been a lovely cool and sunny day this season which is ideal football conditions yet people don't have any enthusiasm anymore.

playing conditions have got better and leagues have got smaller yet no interest left which shows there is a need for a complete overhaul and maybe take a step backwards with the leagues structure :soo:

can't help thinking the ref situation has killed the league

[spec]

Or perhaps it is the attitude of the youngsters who are coming up to replace us old *******s, bring back national service that's what I say.

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hahahaha no point waiting for the 5 year master plan to work, it's up too us to make something happen or nothing will - all to easy to sit back and have digs at those in charge (yeah I agree some of them are not great) when we have the power to change it ourselves fairly easily!

I was at the AGM last year and was amazed at how Ron was ignored by the PSMFL when he pleaded for bigger leagues, no one seemed to support him and thats how the PSMFL want it - they dont really make it clear that if 8 weeks prior to the AGM we submit plans that have that one club proposing it and another as a 2nd then it has to go on the agenda for a vote (or so I'm told..),
If we worked together I reckon we wouldn't get many voting against bigger leagues surely??? obviously it'd have to be worked out well enough to ensure all games are reffed etc but I'm already talking with a guy that runs a side who has much of the logistics already worked out.... it can work.

what about it Eddie - you boys in? PM me!

bear in mind lads.. any other proposals or thoughts can be dealt with in this way - voting people on or indeed off the comittee, referee attendances, fines dished out etc etc
I know we all like to have a dig at opposing clubs and players but getting together over a pint and forming a plan to better Sunday football can't be that hard can it??? or is it wishfull thinking :soo:

[jb]

maybe there's just not enough "ron seddons" about any more :soo: every club used to have someone like him but now most of them dont really care about the bigger picture just themselves.

[Mick B]

Abit unfair JB, not all managers have the luxury of a well run club. During my time I had a great club secretary but amongst my duties were chief changing room cleaner, fund raiser, wet nurse, ego booster, taxi driver, linesman, sob story listener and many other unrelated jobs. Now by the time you've finished that lot you don't get a lot of time to worry about other clubs. Wish I knew the answer to the Sunday morning problem, Can see a lot of sense in a bigger leagues but you have got to change the attitude of some of the players otherwise it won't make any difference. Also somehow it has to be made more competetive, not a lot of motivation if the league is won half way through the season year after year. Don't know how you solve that one. Another problem is that teams have been promoted into prem got three or four dickings and then fall apart, players leave and clubs fold.

[Nipper]

Nah I think your spot on there Spec. Seems like the Chavvy little youngsters have better things to do these days than play football or get invoved in anything worth while.....Even during my school days which wasnt too long ago, all everyone wanted to do was play football!!

Suppose gettin an ASBO is far greater acheivment these days!!

[jb]

totally agree with you mick but the bigger picture was still a concern and if you had the time and ability to help the state of sunday morning football and it required it at the time you would've done it. fortunately for you it looks like players letting you down did you a favour and you dont have to deal with all the hassle you once did and the way sunday morning football seems to be going.

definitely agree that younger players cant be bothered any more and the older ones dont wanna play in the league in the state its in as they know how its used to be. i think people only wanna play once a week rather than twice and they generally seem to choose sats cos it's more worthwhile.

good having you run the line on suns mick, how's your head after you banged it on the dugout :lol:

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surely bigger leagues will increase the competition within each division?
The Prem would level out if we had say 11 or 12 teams in it, yes you'd always get 2 or 3 teams up there and 1 or 2 down the bottom but they'd all have more teams to play against and therefore more chances of wins and losses - I'm sure Woodview and Blueboar would love 2 or 3 teams from the league below in their league right now if only to get a few games evenly matched, and McCains + Fratelli would be a match for a few prem teams right now surely? (no disrespect to anyone intended).

bottom line is when you have small leagues, it's all over by Xmas and thats when players lose interest and cant be bothered, take the mighty Oak, if the league were tighter and they had a chance of winning it one last time I'm sure they'd see the season out?

I'm not saying it's the answer to all the problems but a step in the right direction that if a few lads supported would have to happen...
still no takers..
Mick you up for voting it through or supporting it?

[Mick B]

I certainly don't want to see Sunday morning football die.If I'm in a position to back bigger leagues then yes I would like to see it given a go. But as I'm not a manager I wouldn't be allowed to vote at the AGM but I would certainly lobby the managers that I still know. The heads fine JB, not much left in there to damage.Tried to stay away from the local scene but have made too many good friends and it appears to be in my blood. There are some really good lads at Scarletts so am enjoying my limited involvement. Maybe we could do with some "grass root people on the PSMFL commitee, no offense to the present people but perhaps they have lost touch with how it really is, Tommy Flynn knew but unfortunately he left. I can't complain about the assistance I was given in my last year but something has to be done. For whatever reasons too many good teams have been lost and something has to be done and soon. I hope that this is taken as constructive criticism and that no-one takes it personally, the time for personalities has long gone and it is time to work for a common goal, excuse the pun,We all need to work together, use everyones experience to make Sunday mornings a competitive league that we all want to be part of. Remember all success is a compromise, no-one is infallible, not referees, players, managers or committees but we should all want the same thing, if not then give it up now and let it die with dignity. :blh: sorry it seems a bit heavy.

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nice one Mick...
if you'd put the word around that would be great - just need several Managers willing to support it and we should get it moving..
need a few to contact me though, through here to start with and then I'll give them my email/phone so we could perhaps put something together to send to the league - we've already got a draft of how it could work and one lad has really put some leg work in creating leagues and fixtures taking into account holidays/refs etc.
give me a shout if you get any joy?


cheers

[BLUE BOYS]

bigger leagues would be good but wont happen, what i carnt understand is we are in febuary and we have only been able to play 7 league games, as a side based out of whittlesey and coates players we will be struggling to get our games in now as coates will have several midweek games at end of season a bigger league yes but need to be gatting the games in and carnt do that at present. as i have tried to get several more youngsters in to sunday morning football, simple fact is that they just aint botherd it is on the decline also with town now open till very early hours people dont want to get up. im glad that i have had some good years in sat and sun footy as its on the deline.

[jb]

i think you'll find they dont care if you don play many games as there's more than enough time left to play them and you'll probably go on a run of 7 consecutive sundays with a game now! the way leagues are at the moment you only need half a season to complete a seasons worth of games as the leagues are so small. if there were games almost every sunday throughout the season then players would get into routines of playing every week. no one wants to play then have a few weeks off then play for a few weeks then have a week off. thats also a big reason why people get pi**ed off and cant be arsed to play on sundays anymore.

[eddie c s]

town open late aint a reason either as i remember many years ago that u had to que past the bowlin alley up unitll the rounderbout every thurs fri and sat , now ud be lucky to get a que of 10 people . no one goes out anymore . even the jube players stay in ( jamie g excluded)

fact still remains ,10 or 11 to a league ....... everyyone agrees , all u need then is 5 refs per division accordin to wot grade they are etc .

happy days all round , happy footballers .

[BLUE BOYS]

can garentee eddie that most of my lads still go out on a sat there still young enough to pull, i hope that we do get all our fixtures in as still in a good position at the moment hunting up royal mail. fact is no game this sunday then have to get 11 more league games in and a possible 3 cup games 14 games from now will only fit if we play a game every sunday from now, chances of that happening? i for one have played for the last 14 years sat and sun and fell that at the moment sunday football is in its worst shape ever.

[Cham1]

Back Of The Net. Shows how much Sunday football has gone down over recent years if there are only two reserve teams. Seriously how many teams were there say 10 years ago

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not sure how many were in years past mate, but that was then and this is now etc etc.....
Bigger leagues can't hurt and should increase competition and hopefully keep our players/managers interested for longer and returning to Sundays - not leaving them.

Had 3 or 4 positive chats with Managers of Sunday sides so far in support of bigger leagues so if anyone knows any others that would support it please get em to contact me yeah!!! it's not too difficult to get this pushed through providing we all think it's of benefit to Sunday footy!
We're not trying to go against the PSMFL by the way - it's something a few people want to see happen so are hoping we can work with the PSMFL on this one thing - not against em as most have a difficult job already and do striling work which is appreciated.
It may make a small difference it may not but if managers and clubs want to see it happen then seeing as it's our league why shouldn't it :soo:

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If anyone's still interested in this.....??? :soo:
A couple of Sunday Managers/Clubs have put a document together that has a couple of proposals on it to put to the PSMFL - main one is bigger leagues.
The document shows how it could work and has a space for Clubs to either say YES/NO and perhaps say YES WE WILL PROPOSE OR 2nd IT... or you can just ignore it and carry on as usual - no big deal.
I'm hoping a few more will join the few (4 or 5 so far) we have already in saying they will at least 2nd it so we at least all get to hear about it at the AGM and then people can vote either way...
PM or message me with your email address and club name and I'll be happy to send it to you...

It's by no means a solution to everyones problems and concerns, it's perhaps just a small step in improvement.

cheers for reading this far anyway..