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Another crazy PFA decision to chuck the holders out of the cup for supposedly fielding an illegible player, Lord Westwood this time falling foul of a player they signed on weeks before the clash in question, apparently the player had been banned since last year yet the registration secretary still accepted the signing on form without telling anybody !!! Only after the game was played did they bring it to light and then chuck them out the cup, it doesn't get any worse for our wonderful Sunday morning commitee or does it....... I have visions of that wonderful secretary with his snorkel and flippers on desperately swimming up and down the River Nene searching for the cup in question :lol: :lol: :lol:
carefree
20-12-2006, 14:39
well its a shame as scott has been in the big house 4 the last couple of years, so i suppose the last thing on his mind was if he owed any money, its all over a matter of £54 owed by him b4 he went in. not sure if he is on any lists ect.. but i remember what happened when psl took the league 2 the f.a over much the same thing (pts deduction) for suspended player and reply? f.a found in our favour. its really up 2 westwood what 2 do nx, think a reply would suit best with westwood paying the cost of it. but hey
'WE ARE WESTWOOD, SUPER WESTWOOD, NO1 LIKES US WE DON'T CARE'!!!! :mnn: :mnn: :mnn: :mnn:
Back of the Net
20-12-2006, 14:44
Is that really what happened??? what a joke!
Surely if they accepted his signing on form weeks prior then it's down to them to let the team know the lad is banned???
I'd feel well P*ssed off if I was part of the L Westwood set-up..
instead of a snorkel needed to find the cup, I'd suggest a colonic irragation treatment :lol: :lol: :lol:
Spider Man
20-12-2006, 15:01
Commit the crime do the time. Same rules for everyone. No exceptions
Hadn't budgeted on you coming up with that one Spideypants
Spider Man
20-12-2006, 17:21
Aware that you know who I am Spec. Makes no difference. Spiderman will not be silenced by mere mortals.
A mere mortal ay, look up the word mortal in the dictionary young man, perhaps you didn't mean to use it, well I hope not for your sake
carefree
20-12-2006, 19:12
nothing less then comments like that from u eh bake bean barry! maybe u shld pop down 2 a westwood game 4 ur 2nd bashing of the season muppet :mad: the league accepted scott signing on form but this was the pfa not the league that kicked westwood out of the cup, aint their responsability to check who owe's what. or banned 4 whatever, so really they did nothing wrong. but maybe they shld av thought about it a bit longer and looked into how scott slipped thro the net 1st? anyway we r still pfa champions and still undefeated in the pfa sunday cup :pty:
eddie c s
21-12-2006, 00:23
yeah shame u aint in it but i suppose rules are rules, ortonians would be a bit mifed if lord wwestwood were kept in , seems like the league hve set there stalls out now . in fareness there are a lot of rules that many teams either forget or didnt know existed so is always good to go through with a fine tooth comb . old rocket ron knows many of them but still has to be kept on his toes now n again to not foul up
are u undefeated in the sunday cup ? never lost in it?
looks like the winner of the jne and netherton game could decide who are the strong contenders for the cup this year
tom flynn
21-12-2006, 07:46
Surely this thread should be in the jokes section.Absurd,pathetic and last of all no common sense used whatsoever by whichever governing body.
Am amazed at the lack of communication between the sunday morning league secretary and the club. Obviously the lad did not know he had been banned and the club have been treated like a naughty schoolboy infront of the headmaster. Woiuldn't have happened had it been Netherton, as no doubt a polite phone call would have been made.
Westwood still the champs and winning it this year will not have the same credence
Spider Man
21-12-2006, 10:29
The stupid law that got Ortonians thrown out has since been changed by the PFA. Hampton were chucked out over something that happened 2 years ago. Long Sutton were tossed away for a sub that played 4 minutes. Does anyone know what the point of the PFA is? Why dont the league run the cup themselves instead of these buffoons?
i think the cup might need armbands ! what do you think Spec??
Modern technology permitting we might get to see a live ransom demand :lol:
eddie c s
21-12-2006, 17:25
wouldnt need any phone call .... the old man studys the book throughly . it is a little bad that westwood is thrown out but all them other teams would throw a major wobbly if they were kept in i guess , at least every team knows that if a rule is broken the punishment is quite severe
After hearing the news that we had been kicked out of the cup without even an invitation to defend ourselfs i intend to lodge an appeal. If this fails and the decision is upheld i will quit sunday morning football for good. To be honest it is people like myself who have put alot of time money and effort into the job that keeps the league ticking. However it is not seen like that from the so called men at the top who sit in there high chairs and do every thing they can to destroy the league. Yes we did play an illegal player a player we had signed on 4 weeks earlier, i never knew he was banned and nor was i informed from the league that he was not untill they saw we played him and then jumped on us as hard as they could. Who noticed this so quick efter we played him but never had the decency to warn us before hand. Your desision stinks we should of had at the very least a replay. If we are kicked out i can assure you nobody will be lifting that cup this year. All teams left in should pull out in support of us how can any team feel like they have won the trophy without beating the defending champions the mighty lord westwood, cause i can assure you who ever is good enough to beat us will surely go on to win it. without beating us you have won nothing. For once i ask you to use common sense and reinstate us. Come on then start pulling out. I DOUDT IT.
eddie c s
21-12-2006, 20:27
i can vouch for along with many managers the amount of time and money spent is quite high for everyone involved in either sat or sun footy but the people in higer places could not do anythin else as far as im concerned .
maybe they could of warned the lord westwood but how were the meant to know that he was to play in the game . no team recieves letters or phone calls statin that certain players can or can not play in certain games . think it just has to go down as a experience this time and hopefully things can be learnt by all clubs from this .
be ashame to quit me thinks , maybe tryin to win another honour may be a better way of making a point . but dont go along with the thought of a massive pull out . champions are champions , can only play whats infront of u . did the team who won the fa cup in 2000 think geee its not worth it this year as man u are in brazil. the cup must go on . may the best team win
carefree
21-12-2006, 22:16
sorry eddie disagree abit wiv u mucker, graham philips (sat league) has a list of all banned players and when a form is passed 2 him he checks str8 away, even had him ring str8 after checking a form 2 tell us not 2 play a player, so there is an offical who does a top job.
we had joe duffy with the same problem last season after the oxcart shambles, he wasnt on any list we played him, then were told he was banned checked with the fa who said he was ok 2 play, then played him again then got told by the fa that he was banned, now this happened a few times over the nx couple of months, in which joe played 3-4 games while banned, confusing eh??? a complete shambles big time, but all this got brushed under the carpet and nobody knew b coz it all got 2 messy 4 the fa 2 sort out.
after finding out that scott has been signed on for 4 wks that there is ? marks here.
if scott martin were banned i wld b interested 2 know if he were on the list every pboro club get b4 the start of the season? if he is then maybe part blame must go 2 the club.
and part league, even the pfa get these list and also could have checked :soo:
carefree
21-12-2006, 22:22
hang on i ve made a mistake here, the pfa wouldn't have checked until after the match so not there fault, but defo the league shld ave let westwood know after allowing him 2 sign on when under a sie die .
Ed your also the same as those at the league. Cheating and playing an illegal player on purpose should get a team kicked out of the cup, but anyone with an ounce of common sense can see we never had a clue and it was a geniune mistake made by me. i am no cheat and never have been and by us getting kicked out of the cup that is what i am accused of. You obviously dont know me do you. I wll fight this all the way and if i lose im gone i aint gonna listen to you or the league tell me we deserve to be kicked out. All you and the league go on about is red tape, guess what im not bothered about red tape. As for you saying the cup will go on yes you might be right cause i think at the end of the day all other teams will be jumping for joy to see us kicked out in this way instead of having the bottle to back us and try and knock us out on the football pitch and go on to really win the cup. We own the cup and untill we get beat on the football pitch we are keeping it. Do you understand now Ed. Im not bothered about red tape, common sense must win the day. Who s got the bottle to back us come on lets hear from you or are you gonna sit back as usual and let them get away with yet another terrible decision.
Tommy Trophy
22-12-2006, 07:57
Paul, given what happened to Ortonians last year I have every sympathy with you and would support your right to appeal. As for the PFA, well unfortunately you have to take responsibility for the consequence of your actions in life, and in their haste to remove Long Sutton & Ortonians from the Senior Cup last year in a magical 100% reversal of previous policy they have created a monster of a precedent that continues to bite them on the arse.
I do think there are some very good people on the PFA committee who put in a lot of hours and I am loathe to openly criticise anyone of that ilk.
It is something of a hobby horse of mine, but I did open up a debate last year on the purpose of the PFA which no-one really picked up. I have no idea why the leagues don't run their own cup competitions under 1 set of rules that clubs are far less likely to foul up over.
This would allow the PFA to adopt a far more strategic existence and work for the overall promotion and advancement of football in this city. Lets be honest we are laggards in this respect, without even a floodlit ground outside of Posh at which to hold our league representitive games which is embarrasing.
Good luck Paul, but don't get your hopes up too high. I don't doubt that you are serious in your intended actions but hope that somehow or other a better resolution can be reached
What is a registration secretary for then ? Why do you have to get a player signed on at least a day before a game ?
I'll tell you why, so the registration secretary can check that the player is eligible to play football, if this wasn't the case and the onus fell on the club to check then you could sign players on before kick off and accept the consequences if you are wrong. The registration secretary did not do his job properly and as he is employed/associated with the Sunday league/PFA or whoever then they should take the blame, what also hasn't been mentioned and correct me if i'm wrong Paul (i'm not usually by the way) is that Scott Martin came on for the last 10 minutes only with the score at 4-0, with all the above facts I think a replay would be a sensible option at the very least.
Tommy you are still bitter about yourselves being thrown out of the cup and are letting it cloud your judgement (and that was the clubs fault anyway) and as you now sit on that high and mighty committee perhaps you should advise them that people are watching this decision very closely and it could well have a bigger impact on local football than they think should no commonsense prevail.
THE LEAGUE FCUKED UP THE LEAGUE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT
Back of the Net
22-12-2006, 09:36
I for one would back the Lord Westwood IF this is what happened...
Spec - spot on mate, a registration secretary is in place to receive signing on forms and check the player is eligible to play, if the Westwood signed this lad then the league should have known he was banned and let them know....
If the lad only played 10 mins in a 4-0 win then chucking them out is a farce, it's quite clear they didn't cheat and they had no intention of cheating - if anyone on the committe that threw them out reads this thread they should take note - you are upsetting guys that put a lot into local football both in time and money, do the right thing and let common sense prevail...
eddie c s
22-12-2006, 12:24
yes i dont know u , like u dont know me , i aint bothered about red tape or any tape for that matters . have i said u deserve to be kicked out? u dont have to show me anythin . i aint the leage so if u want to resign because of this issue then fair enough .
never said that it was a deliberate mistake as i think it was and also think that a replay would be sufficent but like tommy says unfortunately the pfa have set the stall out so even if it was a mistake there is only one end result . that doesnt mean to say the pfa are sayin u deliberatly did it , its just thats the way they deal with it . and now there have been numerous mistakes or otherwise people know to take extra care as even 1 min as a sub could prove costly
i hope u do win ur appeal as it will be a better cup with u in it . and with netherton and jube drawn together then if u are reinstated then the holders look even stronger to retain it
cheers spec tommy and all others that are having there say. This is all about common sense no more. We deserve to defend our cup to the end and the end to me is on the battle field with our infantry marching forward onto a glorious victory. If for any reason we are not given a fair chance to defend our trophy then i have a feeling the trophy will be kidnapped and could end up in a watery grave.
BLUE BOYS
22-12-2006, 14:20
think things through well coxy i dont no you at all, but if the cup went missing and the fa were to get involved and take a drastic action of banning your squad from football it would maybe go against sports if you still have some of there players play for you,as i think bans are like sendings off count both days. ive just started running a sunday morning side and dreeding it the further we go in cups as to which players are alledgable to play in what and the recuirements of league games and previous rounds so no its not easy to sort. good luck with it though
carefree
22-12-2006, 16:03
know where ur coming frm blue boy, but the cup belongs 2 westwood until the end of the season, so wnt affect psl until cup final wk, can't c how not returning it would result in a total ban on all signed on players. they r not the keepers of it. shld b interesting, wonder if there is a rule about it?
maybe the winners of the cup should arrange a winners vs champions match with the westwood i think its awful whats happened to you Westwood. Fingers crossed for you that a rule can be changed as you clearly deserve to still be in the cup.
Thanks for your concern blue boys but not backing down for no one or anything its about time someone stood up against these terrible desisions the league keep making. Cheers al you more than anyone know me and if common sense dont win the day you know the outcome. Why let them get away with sitting down in there little warm room making a mockery out of the game we all love whilst we the majority are out frezzing our nuts off every sunday morning week in week out.
Cant help but feel sorry for the Lord Westwood boys as they provided a cracking atmosphere at last seasons final which I was fortunate enough to referee.
Its a pity that common sense couldnt prevail as it seems to have been an oversight by the league registration secretary.
Being the sad referee that I am, I had a look on the Hunts FA website and unfortunately the player in question is listed as being under suspension, it took me just five minutes to find that. Its a pity all counties dont list on the internet and that could cut down on this sort of thing happening again. (it was on page 4 of the listings)
Anyway all the best with the appeal and Merry Xmas everybody :snt:
Tommy Trophy
23-12-2006, 11:26
Spec, whilst bitter at the time of our ejection this soon dissapeared in May with the securing of the league and county cup.
In respect of the Lord Westwood, they won't be reinstated, the cup will end up at the bottom of the river, Lord Westwood will have to pay for a new trophy and only if they don't will players start to potentially suffer.
Back to Spec - Yours and subsequent responses fail completely to address the fundamental question that I raised regarding the purpose of the PFA. As a fairly intelligent person I would have thought you capable of articulating your opinion and sharing some pearls of wisdom with us?
i think there are 3 major points here which should prove the innocence on the westwoods behalf.
1,why on earth would a team play a well known player who has been served with a sine die within the last few years and bring him on at the end of a game they were clearly winning, especially with the players at their disposal?
2,how on earth can the league accept the signing on form? i can understand that information on players that get small bans during the course of a season can be overlooked but a player under a sine die getting overlooked is an absolute shocker!
3,obviously the player in question has been away for some time but surely he knows he's under a sine die ban? therefore i dont think he would've told the westwood as if he did they wouldn't be stupid enough to bring him on at the end of a game they were clearly winning. if he didn't know why not?
agree with you coxy that common sense clearly isn't being used but what can you expect from people running things that are still in the dark ages and con only see everything in black and white!
carefree
23-12-2006, 13:21
think it wud b funny if the cup ended up on a tour off the world seen sunbathing on white sandy beachs wiv photos posted 2 the ET n the pfa (bit like the gnome kidnapping thing) :mad:
just keep throwing the ideas in.
Tom please tell me why we cant be reinstated. We did nt do anything wrong cant they get there heads round that one. We signed a player on and i was under the impression that if a player was banned we would be informed straight away. Yes i am the first to admit we have made an innocent mistake cant you and the others that sit in the warm sits of power be man enough to admit they did as well and order a replay like they should of done in the first place. As for anyone else suffering cause of my actions. What will be will be.
Tommy Trophy
23-12-2006, 17:57
Didn't say you can't Paul - you obviously should be - it is just that you won't be. The PFA cup rules allow the committee to make the decision they did, however right or wrong
al i'm sure chelsea would buy that cup like they try(and sometimes succeed) to buy there way to every other trophy :lol:
with the money made we could employ more competent people to run the league! :lol:
carefree
23-12-2006, 21:32
green eyes jamie :soo: right of out up the town 2 get totally w*nkered !!! :beer:
:dsc: :pty: :pty: :pty: :pty: :pty: :pty:
Think that about raps up this debate al. Hope your in bed with massive hang over.Cheers spec and all others that had there say. As for me gonna get xmass out the way and then me and me mate (The Trophy) are heading down Jack Hunt for some much needed swimming lessons.
Chris Judge
02-01-2007, 14:19
It has come to my notice that the Jack Hunt Pool has been closed since Christmas because of a sudden surge of energy (the truth)
Just what were you doing then in the water with that cup Paul :soo:
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