A question on PFA rules

[CAFC]

Rule 6A

Clearly states that 'A player may not return to a lower Competition having played in a more Senior Competition unless sanction has been agreed by the Council,'

On what grounds can you make the request ?

Then later it states : 'Any player having played in Three First Team matches during the four weeks preceeding the Cup Ties shall not be allowed to take part unless permission has been obtained from the association'.

I assume that this refers to the Sunday comps only, why ?

We have players that have played just the odd game early on in the season and in the first round of the cup, it seems a bit harsh that they can't play in a more Junior cup having not played for the firsts for 6 - 8 weeks.

[spec]

I am sure it is Saturday comps as well, we employ a full time secretary now just to keep us informed of all these pitfalls, ask Tommy Cooper about them :lol:

[Ross]

I am sure it is Saturday comps as well, we employ a full time secretary now just to keep us informed of all these pitfalls, ask Tommy Cooper about them :lol:

Think that may hit a nerve there Spec :lol:

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Rule 6A
Then later it states : 'Any player having played in Three First Team matches during the four weeks preceeding the Cup Ties shall not be allowed to take part unless permission has been obtained from the association'.

I assume that this refers to the Sunday comps only, why ?

We have players that have played just the odd game early on in the season and in the first round of the cup, it seems a bit harsh that they can't play in a more Junior cup having not played for the firsts for 6 - 8 weeks.


Not sure here, but are you saying that you have players that played in a higher cup and for the 1st's but now they're not getting games you'd like to see them Pot-Hunt in the lower cup?
If thats what you mean then that's not really on surely... ?
What about all the players and teams in that lower cup - how are they to feel if suddenly they draw a team and 3 or 4 1st teamers take the field having already played in the higher cup and are clearly dropping down levels??
I know from experience what it's like to suddenly see 3 or 4 faces lining up against you in cup teams that you just know they dont usually play for and it does do your head in...
At the start of the season you're given the choice, aim for 1st team action and stick with them in cup runs or drop down and play for the Res in cup action, you can't do both just because you're suddenly not getting games!

Agree with Spec though, the rules are a nightmare at times and staying on top of them is almost a full time job... I'm sure we're all breaking some rule or other just discussing it :lol: :lol:

[CAFC]

Ha ha very amusing. Pot hunters at Coates. We are in Div2 and Comb3.

The question is surely when does Reserve player clasify as a first teamer. 15 mins in a cup game surely can't cup tie him. Which is why, I am assuming that if you have only played once in the last 4 weeks then you are not classified as a first teamer.

BOTN, we are not talking about pot hunting we are talking about a couple of lads who won't get a game of footy this weekend because they played for the first team in Sept.

[spec]

A rule that needs serious attention I think, classic example is we were due to play Eaton Socon in the Hunts Cup saturday, I only had 11 fit players with myself and our physio as sub, do I take 2 reserves and cup tie them from their version of the Hunts Cup for the rest of the season or do I go with what I have and risk being knocked out and probably ending our season ?? The good lord came up with the answer as the game was called off through incliment weather, could I rely on his intervention again should the case arise or just take that as a one-off favour from him !!

[CAFC]

Spec, I'm glad your here.

Exactly, it's about juggling, we have also managed to get ourselves into exactly waht you are talking about in the PFA. And I can tell you, I managed to really p*ss one of our lads off by leaving him on the bench so that I didn't cup tie him.

My point is when does a first teamer become a reserve team player. It needs sorting. Just because you play one game it shouldn't label you for the whole season.

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crikey you cup tied someone for 15 mins of footy :lol: ..
shouldn't laugh really as i dont know what happened but the rules have to be in place somehow or 1st teamers would flood lower cups when knocked out of their cups, surely?
I wasn't suggestiong your particular case was one of Pot-Hunters, but it does go on and without some ruling you'd have glory boys running riot!

It's harsh but if you know the rules you gotta take the decision and stick with it, Spec was in a tough position with injuries etc but if it really was a choice of taking an understrength team or cup tying someone then he'd have chose a reserve player to play I'm sure?
You then surely owe that player a few run-outs for the 1st's as a reward for helping out and cup tying himself for you? maybe play him when the Res are playing in their cup so the lad still gets the same amount of games??

In reverse, as a player it's your choice to play for the 1st's in that cup - you know the rules and I'm sure if they went through and you retained your place in the cup run team then you'd not be asking to get a game in the lower res cup and leave the 1st's would you?

perhaps a transfer form would work?
The player is allowed to be transferred to the reserves if he's played no more than say 3 games all season for the 1st's? and he then MUST remain a res player for the rest of the season, whatever happens?
in effect no 1st team player drops to reserves after playing more than a set amount of games for the 1sts?
but it'd be bloody hard to monitor and I wouldnt want the headache that would come with it.

[Chris Judge]

In the late 1990s Ortonians won three PFA cups with frst team ,res and A team and what a headcahe that was.
Fortunately it was pre Tommy so we did have the rules sorted out and did win trophies then too.
But I can see the point that players cannot play in Ist team and then go down to the Reserve team comp
But it is very duiffuicult if you have had a few injuries about this time of the year and called up a couple of reserves for three weeks and then find that they cannot play in the cup for Resrerves the following week when the injured have recovered.
But lines have to be drawn somewhere and I am sure the PFA would welcome any sensible change at the agm
They did change the rule about UCL and jewson players this year to bring it into line with the league rules

[ianh]

They did change the rule about UCL and jewosn players this year to bring it into line with the league rules
Whats the rule now?

[Chris Judge]

You can play one player who has apperared in a higher league in the last four weeks

[spec]

I don't think there is an easy solution to this, but perhaps a percentage figure should be introduced, for instance as our learned friend Mr Judge has said it is probably more likely this time of year for the situation to arise or probably January/February, by this time surely whichever reserve was picked to fill the void he would have played in enough reserve games to then be 'lent' to the first team as a one off (should it be required) and not be penalised for then going back the next week to the reserves, there must be some sort of common sense involved to allow special dispensation in these instances, it wouldn't take a genius to sort out if a club was taking the p*ss.
BOTN you are wrong, I was going to go without the reserve players as they had Perkins in the cup, they lost anyway and perhaps I learnt another lesson in management Saturday :lol:

[CAFC]

Spec, exactly. At the very least if for the Seior cup you can have one player from a higher level then that should apply throughout.

Personally, i'm for the, 'If you have played 3 of the last 4 games at that level then you are eligible'.