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There was some great banter on PFA Cup before close down. Have Ortonians appealed and perhaps more views on whether the two clubs should be booted out. I think they should be replayed as they were hardly cheating and other clubs replayed in past
lozzaman
22-10-2005, 17:40
Eh?
Chris Judge
22-10-2005, 18:08
Getting a bit old now Lozzaman anmemory is not that good but have Moulton ever won the the PFA Senior Cup. I do know you have lost twice in the final to Ortonians at London Road. And when did you win the Premier Division Title. Perhaps the boffins at the PFA are trying to give everyone else a chance
lozzaman
22-10-2005, 22:27
eh?
We will find out on the 5th November won't we
Tommy Trophy
23-10-2005, 19:16
Yep appeal has gone in and we are at the mercy of the Northants FA, though I am not sure of the process or timescale.
Enough probably been said on this, though I would like to think that all of my previous posts were completely objective and would not be taken personally unless you were of a particularly fragile disposition!
We will wait and see whether the NFA see fit to reinstate us before making any further comment or considering next move.
Well lets hope all goes to plan Tommy, stranger things have happened
Dave Baxter
25-10-2005, 07:40
90% of people seem to think that this game should be replayed, and yet I somehow suspect that it won't be.
Tommy & Chris, you have probably done yourselves no favours in the past by being too "opinionated" on certain issues and this is payback time.
I was involved with BRAD in the distant past and can tell you that the appeal process is not set up to help you - interestingly the PFA could decide to reverse their decision in the face of all of this criticism without the need for the Northants FA to get involved but don't hold your breath!
Heard on the grapevine that you are considering Legal action if the appeal fails - hope you do not go down that route guys - don't think that will be good for local football however strong your case - might have to write it off to experience and hope that Alconbury meet Crowland in the final this year which will be very embarrasing!
The Fen Tiger
25-10-2005, 12:08
Why do the people on local football committee's feel the need to be controversial?
If the order had been to replay the game then no-one would have raised any protest and this would not even be a subject on the forum.
We are not talking about the premier league here - for gods sake PFA think about what you have done and reverse the decision - I think a lot of people will respect you for holding your hands up and admitting a mistake.
As a Whittlesey lad, I suppose I should be happy to see Ortonians suffer, but we are out of the cup and this is not right. This rule is so easy to break without realising that every club runs the risk of falling foul of it and making a mockery of the competition.
Chris Judge
26-10-2005, 10:10
You are probably right Mr Baxter. A senior local football official did remark that our punishment was just that - payback time.
But it is our players that really suffer most and they had nothing to do with any mistake over Chris Kaye.
I requested the minutes from the PFA meeting that banned us and have just been informed that we can have them after November 9. Our appeal date has been pencilled in for November 8. Make what you will from that.
You have a legal right to those minutes before your appeal Chris, make sure you get them and good luck.
Tommy Trophy
26-10-2005, 15:40
Thanks again for all your support people as on the last forum, as well as all the calls, text messages et al (would love to know why the link to this site on pdfl.org has been taken away???)
However, I am starting to get the feeling from various corresspondence and conversations that we are up against it appealing via the Football route.
Mr Baxter I too really do hope that we are not forced into considering other options. On your other point, I would like to think that the decison had nothing to do with personalities, and despite this momentary lapse in judgement, I retain a healthy respect for a number of people in that organisiation. However, as it was a decision that the PFA choose to make rather than had to, I suppose we will never really know what drove the 10 to go against us individually
I have heard some nonsense about us playing Gavin Mcpartlin in a Jack Hogg Charity Shield game when he was suspended because some Sunday team he plays for out in Lincolnshire had folded owing money being brought up at the meeting - what on earth has that got to do with anything - and what competition rule had we broken? - it's not even a proper match and how the bloody hell were we supposed to know that!
Dave Baxter
27-10-2005, 07:27
Well Chris, don't say you were not warned - the appeal process is not supposed to be fair - I doubt you will even be given the opportunity to put your case in person?
The PFA have made their big brave decision, and are now hiding under the bed covers hoping that the nasty criticism monster just goes away of its own accord.
Time for you to concentrate on the League I think!
Alan Eden
27-10-2005, 09:07
Having been involved in numerous appeals to the Northants FA, some successful some not, I think you will find that you do get a fair hearing. You might not get the result you want but I have always found them fair and that you get the chance to put your case.
The Peterborough Rover
27-10-2005, 16:14
I think you are being naive Tommy, if you do not think it is about personalities.
This time last year you took it on yourself to survey all of the clubs about their views on the structure of the PFA Cup which you felt could be improved - did you think that would be appreciated by the PFA?
I think the mistake you made was in trying to introduce too many ideas, where as the key issue of 1 cup competition for all was great and supported by everyone in the lower leagues - so surprise surprise it does not get adopted.
Though you have a lot to say for yourself, I think you have been good for local football and raised its profile in the last couple of years - what a shame that this is then used against you when you make a human error.
Tommy Cooper have a lot to say for himself, how unkind !!
lozzaman
14-11-2005, 22:30
When is the quater final draw?
The draw should be made available after this weekends matches. I will keep you posted
Chris Judge
15-11-2005, 22:25
Swanny col in ET on Monday read;
Sven doesn't go around making wild accusations like the managers of Chelsea and Arsenal and he doesn't make silly admin errors and get his team thrown out of 'major' cups like the bosses at Ortonians.
Hey Mark the PFA a major cup like the FA Cup and World Cup or is it just a cheap shot from a journalist who never makes any mistakes
Well I would like to think it is. Could not comment on the journalist bit though. Just finished my PFA paperwork for the night. Someone has to do it I suppose.
carefree
21-11-2005, 23:41
when is the 1/4 final draw and what date will it be played on? suppose everyone will be wanting psl/leverington in the draw as they are likely to both get kicked out and would mean safe passage to the semi's.
The draw will not be released until some outstanding disciplinary matters have been dealt with. The Quarter-Finals ties, however are due to take place on or before 11th February 2006
The Peterborough Rover
22-11-2005, 15:45
Put Long Sutton, PSL, Ortonians & Leverington into a "Naughty Boys Elimination Series" with the winner getting a place in the QF's!
Chris Judge
22-11-2005, 17:04
If I was betting on the outcome of PFA decision on PSL and leverington I would have to put the money on both teams going out
It is not what I think should necessarily happen but you have to consider the mood of the PFA this season.
carefree
22-11-2005, 17:20
it would be a shame if both where booted out, i can't see why a reply wouldn't be the better option in the light that they still have to play each twice i believe in the league, so if trouble was to flare up again it could happen in one of these other games anyway. but i'm sure from what i've been told that it is unlikely to flare up again.
this won't make the PFA cup a joke this year as it is in no way connected to why ortonians and long sutton got the boot,
could feel maybe slightly sorry for sutton as they didn't read the cup rules.BUT rules are rules!!
but there can be no excuses from ortonians as they committed the same offence i believe last season was it? and following a reply went on to win the cup.
the change to boot clubs out if making this mistake was done before the season started wasnt it?.
Chris Judge
22-11-2005, 17:28
Trouble is Carefree the decison to boot out clubs was taken on the night the Ortonians case came before them
With a recent spate of games abandoned because of players fighting PFA may want to take a strong line otherwise people may think they are condoneing the incident.
I dont want to see either club booted out but what else can the PFA do and a replay could be asking for trouble. Say another fight takes place. People will say why the the hell did they order a replay
They havea harder decision to ake than they with our club and they got that one wrong
Think you might me right. Can they risk a replay and they can hardly give the game to PSL. This cup is becoming a nightmare for the PFA
carefree
22-11-2005, 20:50
agreed, but i'm sure the pfa will come to the right choice over the psl/lev game. if each get the boot then that must be the right thing in the eyes of the pfa committee. and i'm sure many others involved in local football,
i wasn't at the game as i was watching else where, but have been told by 2 other lads who were watching as their team in the prem didn't have a game that the two number 8's get involved in a few off the ball scuffles which end in a handbags type fight. what kicked it all off was when the leverington number 4 ran 10 yds and kicked psl 8 in the head while he was on the floor.
now i don't know if this was seen by the ref, (hope he did see it if it is true) but things like that can kill a person, and has in the past!
i do know that the whole thing is now at county fa, so maybe they will decide if both get the boot or a reply ordered and that it could now be out of the pfa's hands, therefore the pfa can't get the blame if it is right or wrong when everyone decide's the outcome..
Glen whufc
22-11-2005, 22:22
This seems it could be an ongoing problem, you see it seems to me that they want to fall back into there regular routine of handing out punishments but due to 1 team and there management(scabby todger and uncle bulgaria) when the PFA took a serious power trip and chucked the rule book away just to get 1 over on a couple of fat blokes, now your gonna get these discussions brought up every other week. so all the teams that got kicked out the cup the weekend we did all fell to the fat blokes ruling(new pfa rule) and i know mark did put a guilt filled plea to stop this discussion going on and on but did you honestly feel that would happen after the actions made at our level.
yes i know im still whinging about it and knowing me i wont stop til west ham win a trophy but until rules are made simple and clear concerning league and cups as are the punishments you can forget consistancy by these muppets.
carefree
22-11-2005, 23:30
understand that u r upset glen whufc, but the pfa's job is hard enough without getting called muppets, just remember that these guys have been about a long time, and even though some now get a wage doing it, its aint always been the case, all at one pt have given plenty of their own free time to the local game, i am a follower of brotherhoods/ pboro sports and will continue to be, we have in the past had a few run ins with both our league and the pfa, but still feel that they do a real good job on the local front. if they decide to show both us and leverington the door out of this season's pfa cup then so be it,
they would not have broken the rules or the footballing laws to chuck u or sutton out, OR EVEN TO CHUCK US OUT
and 'come on' this the 2nd time you guys have broken this very same rule.
forget it now and have a crack at winning the league, as you are still very much still there with the other's
Glen whufc
23-11-2005, 00:28
Probably could have put it across better and fully agree with the pfa putting in alot of hard work for nowt but we put our effort in each week 2 for nowt and the ruling for us getting thrown out this season is one of the most ridiculous rules ive ever heard of, a real easy mistake to make and they punished the players for that, no one else but the players.
This site is the only way that everyone involved in the local scene can have a decent shout about something and that is what im doing. this topic was asked to stop....WHY :soo:
the topic will go on because of certain actions not because of a whinging skinny ortonian who's totally gutted at not having the chance to get the 3 in a row at london road which we all as a team was really gunning to do plus the fact im nearly 31 still smoking 40 a day so last chance comes into it :sm:
and believe me we will be going full steam for the league.
From what ive read, i can fully see your point, but i think the main problem is, all of the mud slinging directed at the PFA, NFA, FA etc, by all means air your views, as that is what this site is all about, but when things get too personal, i think a line has to be drawn somewhere, and i think that is what Mark was getting at. The way i see it, the decision has been made, be it the right or wrong decision, and nothing is gonna change that, its just something that has to be accepted.
Ill leave this open for debate, as this is what this forum is for, but as said before by Mark, stop the mud slinging
The Fen Tiger
23-11-2005, 08:34
Yeah stop whining Glen - you Ortonians boys had it coming.
Besides be pleased that this gives the smaller clubs like Moulton & Perkins a chance to finally win something.
The Peterborough Rover
23-11-2005, 09:27
Don't think we should stifle the debate, and there is something puzzling me
Ortonians found out to their cost that the PFA can basically get away with doing what they want as the rules say they can chuck sides out for anything right?
How cum then that when it comes to PSL v Leverington it goes to the County FA and the PFA duck the issue.
When the PFA didn't have to make a decision they did - when they did have to make one they didn't?
Not mudslinging, just struggling to understand who is responsible for what and when.
mattsedd
23-11-2005, 15:24
Netherton were chucked out of the cup about 5 years ago for exactly the same thing. We even admitted our mistake, ringing up the PFA, saying it was a genuine mistake, hoping we would not get chucked out.
We were chucked out. Cest la vie.
For the record, we've been a bit miffed in recent years that other clubs have recieved replays when we were chucked out in the past.
So long as their is consistency going forward, then fine. We all know the rules. Lets play by them. There's also no excuse against repeat offending.
I think we all now know what will happen if we break the rule next year, so I expect we will all do our best to stick to them.....
Don't think we should stifle the debate, and there is something puzzling me
Ortonians found out to their cost that the PFA can basically get away with doing what they want as the rules say they can chuck sides out for anything right?
How cum then that when it comes to PSL v Leverington it goes to the County FA and the PFA duck the issue.
When the PFA didn't have to make a decision they did - when they did have to make one they didn't?
Not mudslinging, just struggling to understand who is responsible for what and when.In answer to your question The PFA can not make any decision on a matter of any abandoned games until it has been dealt with by the appropriate County Football Associations as it is a disciplinary matter involving players and/or club behaviour. In this case the Northamptonshire and Cambridgeshire Football Associations are dealing with as previously stated. The other issues which have been discussed at length on this forum were for breach of competition rules and so therefore full under the PFA duristiction. I trust this clarifies your query.
lozzaman
30-11-2005, 22:39
Anymore on the senior cup draw?
In view of above the releasing of the draw has been put back until the 15th December.
How will you do the draw with just seven clubs then Mark
Are all the cups being drawn on the same night ?
The Semi-Finals draws for The Challenge, The Junior and The Minor Cups will be drawn on 14th December
Hi Mark when is the draw for the quarter-finals of the PM PFA Cup?
Cheers.
Sorry Mark dived in did not see all the other posts asking about draw dates :lol:
Guess we are getting ours around 14th then?
Draw for PM Cup has been done I will post on Monday night.
Cheers Mark thanks for responding.
Anymore on the senior cup draw?
Please be advised that due to oustanding disciplinary matters The Senior Cup Quarter-Final draw will not be published until the new year.
Mark, Thursday Evening and have still not received the draw yet? Could you tell me who Bluebell have drawn in the PM PFA Cup and whether we are home or away.
As we are updating and organising our league, cup and friendly fixtures during the festive period would appreciate knowing early as opposed to last round where we only found out the week before, by our opponents.
Take a look at the PFA Quarter-Finals thread. The draw has been there since Monday evening.
Chris Judge
17-12-2005, 21:48
Why cant the draw be done with one team playing either PSL or Leverington and then a decision can be made later on that issue but the pairings can be announced
Tommy Trophy
18-12-2005, 10:09
Obviously have no interest in this anymore but the um bush telegraph has been working overtime and telling me that: -
1. The draw has already been made
2. ANOTHER team has been found to have played an ineligable player in "similar" but not exact same circumstances as Ortonians.
3. That this team might get away with playing the ineligable player
4. That a decision has been made on the PSL v Leverington game - not sure what it is but it is NOT to let the result stand.
We all have our contacts and my 2 for the above seemed pretty confident that what I have posted above is true - be interesting to see if any of it is?
Putting it in simple terms there are issues that are at present being dealt by the County FA's. The draw has been made however the PFA Council have not given me permission to publish this yet. Neither issue will be addressed until the new year however. I can also confirm that a decision regarding the PSL v Leverington Sports has NOT been made as it has not yet been dealt with fully by the FA's.
Tommy Trophy
18-12-2005, 12:53
Cheers for clearing that up Mark, though you seem to be confirming that there is more than 1 situation (i.e PSL v Leverington) that you have to deal with?
As you can imagine the rumour factory is turning out story after story - even heard that both clubs had been fined £250 last night - god knows where these things come from.
Don't think that the time it has taken to resolve the PSL/Leverington situation is helpful - understand it has to be dealt with properly but this is just fueling the speculation and conjecture.
Please be advised that Woodlands FC have been removed form the Senior Cup after they were found to have fielded a player in their tie versus Wimblington Old Boys whilst under suspension from Cambridgeshire FA. This suspension is being contested by Woodlands and it is likely that they will appeal against our decision. At this point Wimblington Old Boys have not been reinstated until the time allowed for any appeal has past.
With regards to the PSL v Leverington Sports issue as I have said in my previous post the County FA's have not completely dealt with this matter and therefore any action to be taken by the PFA has been deferred until our January meeting.
These two issues has therefore led to the draw not being published.
Posh Kid
19-12-2005, 14:13
Right so Woodlands, Long Sutton & Ortonians are out of the cup even though they have not lost yet. Perkins are still in as they beat Alconbury who have now been beaten twice. PSL who won and Leverington who lost might both still be in or both might be out. Crowland are still in though they have already lost. Wimblington OB who have lost might still be in but no-one knows yet. Deeping & Chatteris from division 1 are still in, but Netherton are not as they did not go in this cup, nor did Sutton Bridge who have not yet lost but are in a different cup to the other division 1 teams. Moulton & Parson Drove are still in having won 1 game, though some team have won 2. The draw for the next round has been made, but no-one can say who is playing who because no-one knows who is left in and who is out. Clear as mud really
Who would be an administrator?
carefree
21-12-2005, 10:07
both pboro sports and lev have been fined £250 by their county fa's, with £150 suspended with a close eye cast on their future conducts. the matter was dealt with a couple of weeks ago.
I confirm that I have had confirmation of the action taken against Peterborough Sports by the Northamptonshire FA. However the Cambs FA had not imposed any penalty on Leverington Sports at the time of The PFA meeting last Wednesday hence the reason any further action required by the PFA has been deferred until after Christmas.
Posh Kid
08-01-2006, 15:44
This cup is a joke - a really bad joke .
Woodlands have been thrown out for playing someone who was apparently suspended 2 years ago for not paying a fine or something whilst at Parson Drove.
He played all last season and helped Woodlands win a PFA Cup - it has only now been found out that he should have been suspended all last year. Cambs FA have cocked up but not Woodlands or so 1 of their players told me - how can they possibly be thrown out.
Just scrap the cup for this year?
Our reserves lost in that cup final to woodlands.. So can we have the cup now please? And as Hotpoint 1st team seems to be the one of the few clubs to actually not be in the senior cup because we lost a game of football!! can we have that one as well and save all this bother? Seems very fair to me!
Tommy Trophy
13-01-2006, 12:02
PSL v Leverington to be replayed then (and possibly Woodlands v Wimblington as well?).
Congratulations to the PFA on re-discovering common sense.
Us and Long Sutton just wish they had applied it 3 months ago.
The desire for no replays, used as the basis of our removal, appears to have gone out of the window and the fact that the PFA have managed to get these decisions right, just adds to the feeling that we were very poorly treated unfortunately.
Don't really want to go over old ground, so won't say any more after this, though as we have won all 6 league games since being kicked out, hope that this decision acts as a stimulus to win the next 6.
mattsedd
13-01-2006, 21:13
Just Read Posh kids reply 2 posts above...quality, made me laugh loads.
There's a thread going in the prem lounge debating who Posh kid is, and if he plays for netherton or not. Having read this I can only assume he's one of nehtertons men...you need to have a Masters of Philosohpy to follow that post!! As rocket ron loves to say, we may not have the best football team, but we've certainly got the most Degree's!
:lol:
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