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For the first time in twelve years and for only the second team in 18 years of the event Parson Drove and Moulton Harrox will share the PFA Jack Hogg Charity shield after an evenly contested 2-2 draw at Chestnut Avenue. Not since 1996 when Ortonians and Leverington Sports shared the spoils has the tie ended level.
watched the game wasnt too bad of a game was a good start for parsons grove who took the lead after only 57 secs of the game thought back moulton to level up and unfortunatley a player went off just before half time for moulton within 15 mins of the second half up turn an ambulance which we all saw the player who limped off for moulton had been put in a splint best of luck to the guy parsons drove then took the lead once again with a gr8 move only for moulton to pull back with a gr8 strike to level up the parsons drove keeper looked good and i think should be playing at a higher standard but both teams deserved a win but makes a change to see a winner and a loosing team.ps been alot better crowd if the charity had been advertised by the pfa in the local press
didn't even realise this was being played! nothing on here and bit early perhaps? isn't it usually played a week before the season kicks off?
Back of the Net
10-08-2008, 07:31
most prem teams do k/o of next week I believe? but yeah it would have been nice to hear about the game in the press or perhaps even on here (PFA we know you look on here so a message wouldn't hurt?), I for one would have liked to go and watch it...
c,mon the hoops
10-08-2008, 09:09
Likewise, i played in it last year and we were unlucky winners against alconbury 10-1 i think!
I would of gone down if i knew it was on!
n j titman
10-08-2008, 11:30
You and me both, my son
The PFA need to advertise, advise, tell local people within the game about such matches
However
I suffered a 1200 ko on Saturday S****horpe v Leeds, but managed to get to Barton on Humber to watch Barton Town Old Boys v AFC Emley in the NCL Div 1 ko 1500
Oh dear PFA / P City Council / and especially all of you guys playing, watching, coaching the local game.
Barton has a population of under 9000. They have a new ground with Step 4 floodlights, brilliant club house, parking, and a useful team.
North Ferriby (one or two Divisions up) population under 4000, Brigg Town pop under 12000, and Winterton pop under 7000, all within a 10 mile radius, all playing good football, to crowds in excess of anything our UCL/Jewson teams enjoy, and none paying silly money to players.
All have grounds far in excess to any locally.
PFA/Focus Still no floodlights, no money, no direction, and facilities than are at best, poor. Barton took the right route to funding, and I hope will go forward from there. Yet another example of PCC total disinterest in local football.
yes pfa should have done something in the press but thtas the pfa think about thereselves and not many others was a good game but been alot better if more attended nevermind hopefully next season they will get there finger out ermm well i hope they do
MR Titman - Stop this war Focus please - it is boring!!
Lights go up in october I heard on Sat and the funds are being finalised for the new changing facilities etc... Things don't happen overnite nick but you know that and I agree things been slow but PNS are getting there despite the PFA lack of effort. PNS are committed to getting things right - I think!
n j titman
11-08-2008, 11:53
to JNE whomever he may be!!
What war on Focus? My piece was a rant about the total lack of facilities in Peterborough.
Re PNS-if they have a good contract with the PFA, then put up your floodlights, provide decent dressing room accomodation, a covered area for supporters, and club house.
If PNS do not enjoy such a contract, well?
All I know is that facilities in small towns such as Barton, Brigg etc make the Peterborough Effect seriously embarassing.
n endu
Focus?
I believe Nick that this is all coming and without the PFA, it just takes time!
As for small village facilities, Yes Brigg & North Ferriby are good (played at both) but clubs like that are normally the focus of the community and so a lot of money go into them and funding is normally granted due to the community aspect.
You are right Nick but they are getting there!
Nik is right about the lack of funding in local football and this needs to be addressed.
Simmy 05 - unfortunately our forward went to hospital and an x-ray confirmed a broken leg.
yeah sorry to hear that hope he has a good recovery
Simmy 05 - a 'high' Peterborough club? Would that be Northern Lights? !!
no its one of the best in peterborough if not the best ground and the team cant be beaten from any peterborough side
no its one of the best in peterborough if not the best ground and the team cant be beaten from any peterborough side
dont be silly you dont play for posh!
It was a joke Simmy, but clearly went over everyone's heads. Ozzy the ref would've got it!
I believe Nick that this is all coming and without the PFA, it just takes time!
As for small village facilities, Yes Brigg & North Ferriby are good (played at both) but clubs like that are normally the focus of the community and so a lot of money go into them and funding is normally granted due to the community aspect.
You are right Nick but they are getting there!
Foggy What disappoints me with local football, especially in Peterborough is that people are far too quick to criticise. Take Focus for instance. the fact that it still exists is almost a miracle. This is due in no small way to the efforts from PNS, local leagues and the PFA. Granted it would appear that the progression of the floodlights installation etc has been, in the main driven by the former, people must not forget the financial commitment and infact burden that the PFA have had to bear in trying to keep the centre alive.
As treasurer of the Association I know how much has been ploughed into the coffers of the centre over the years. What the centre needs and has always needed is direction with all persons involved pulling in that right direction. I for one am fully supportive of the efforts, time and commitment that all to date have given to the constant battle to ensure that football continues at Focus as well as the community in general. What I struggle with is people that criticise when they are not prepared to help support the venture.
c,mon the hoops
14-08-2008, 20:18
This isnt a dig to any people associated with the PFA or officials in any capacity but i remember when i played in the p'boro rep side last season for Tommy Flynn and we played at the home of some FA who we were playing and their facilities were excellent. A proper stadium, floodlights the full wack, i do think they were a bigger district than ourselves ( i cant remember who they were!) but the local FA had a headquaters to be proud of! I remember saying to myself imagine taking this lot back to Focus its embrassing! TBH all the rep sides ive played with since i was younger the other FA's have had great facilities and its just a shame that we havent got to the same standard as our counterparts. I dont know who it would be down to and i suppose the other FA's got grants to do what they have done, but it would be great for the city as a whole to have a football HQ's to be proud of!
P.S if anyone knows that team the rep side played let me know its really bugging me and i played against them! Just totally forgot who they are!
Tommy Trophy
14-08-2008, 20:20
Despite being Manager at PNS I do not sit on the committee and so I am not furnished with all of the details of the nature of the lease etc. but agree that a more concentrated and combined effort from all concerned is the only way to take the facilities forward - and I truly believe that the will exists in enough people to make this happen
c,mon the hoops
14-08-2008, 20:24
Totally agree tommy, there should be more people getting involved to make sure a ground like focus is to be the proud home of the PFA and yourselves! Like i said in my last post a lot of people want to see a fantastic set up for the home of the PFA and a main vocal point for local football and if that means PNS being there then thats surely a good thing for p'boro football!
I don't believe for one minute Tommy you don't know the in's and out's of the lease, I would have thought that's the first thing you would have found out about when you are paying wages.
The problem you have at Northern Star is people don't want you to do well (well some do) but the majority don't, there's the good old Peterborough jealousy for one and you personally made a lot of enemies locally over the last few years although you saved me a fortune in entertainment expenses!!
Anyway my point is that if you want to take the facilities forward you need money and to get money you need either a sugar daddy or you have to generate your own. You have managed admirably up to now to service your wage bills but with the current financial climate in this country I would be very surprised if you can continue throughout the season with your 'sponsors' shovelling up the kind of money you need.
So to my main point, Break the bank to get a bloody decent clubhouse and start generating your own money that way, if you get a good after match buzz going you will find that people will come and watch your games just to have something to do after and make a night of it, there isn't a club in Peterborough anymore that have that sort of atmosphere and you will also recoup the wages from the players as well!
Now to the difficult bit, you need to get people through the gates to start with and that means you being nice to people Thomas, you have to go from 'Corporate Tommy' to 'Commercial Tommy' and raise your own loot because you won't get any help from our wonderful local authorities, now there's a test for you :sm:
Joe it was Letchworth we played at, not a big town by any means but put our facilities to shame big time.
n j titman
15-08-2008, 07:51
Mark
The volunteer situation is desperate nationally, and at Focus, the PFA support to Derek Vernum and myself, myopic.
The Focus Centre can never run at a profit, and now will struggle to even break even. The days of idiots like DV and myself ploughing too many hours a week are well gone; Derek has turned Fortress Fengate into a magnificent Rugby Facility and won National awards, and I put my time into Futsal development anywhere but Peterborough, because we lack facilities and especially genuine persons prepared not to talk, but actually help.
I agree with what Spec says . . . I for one would go to watch PNS over The Posh if it was a midweek game or if I was not involved in a Saturday game, if there were a club house to go to during/afterwards. It is on the doorstep of town and would be a good place for grassroots football to meet up for a drink.
Nik, there is only so much volunteers can do, you can do all the hard graft but you're flogging a dead horse without the funds to implement whatever work you are doing or upkeeping whatever work you are doing, at the end/beginning of your volunteer work there will need to be a cash input somewhere along the line and it isn't there in this city, if Johnny Foreigner were to start a sporting project of some nature you can guarentee some council department will be there with a big fat cheque, smile and photographer to hand but don't start me off on that.
Raph I advised Mr Cooper on that before he took over, he may listen to me one day but I think the fact he won more trophies than me (albeit in a far longer length of time) he sees me as an inferior!!
I agree with Spec, the only way to make PNS into a self suffient club is to up the facilities and Peterborough FA never have been or ever will be willing to help.
As far as local FA's are concerned they are one of the worst out there.
Now I agree that if for example forms are not filled out correctly the team should be fined ect... but the money generated should be invested back into local football but it does not happen. we have what can only be described as an embarrasment of a Fa head quarters.
As for Tommy he works very hard for pns as he did ortonians and good luck to him I do hope everything works out but he needs more help in my opinion.
Maybe tommy should get a petition going or something.
Tommy Trophy
15-08-2008, 17:47
Thank you Moe for your kind words, but that does not mean that you were not a nightmare to referee on a Sunday Morning!
Spec, I feel that you are pineing for a job back in local football and I know that you get upset if I ignore your posts. Firstly can I once again place on record how that last year I had at Ortonians will NEVER be matched in terms of enjoyment when the 2 of us were going hammer and tonge for the league every week and I just had a few more white rabbits in the kit bag than you (you had the better team as I have admitted previously) - Hunts Senior Cup Final win over St Neots just the cherry on top.
PNS are not a party to the lease at Focus (Dogsthorpe Community Association. PFA & City Council) so as mere tenants we will not know what is in the lease.
What I do know is that as mere tenants we are taking one hell of a gamble in investing in facilities, albeit at a modest level, for somewhere where we have no contractual protection.
Raph - we do have an open licensed bar, which is not the most opulent, but as anyone who drinks in the Oak or Nags will testify it is the quality of the people that make for a good drink not the surroundings (Spec - Bacardi & Magners are both crying out to you!)
Finally Spec, the switch from Corporate Pig to Commercially Aware continues and I hope that the large majority of people that hate me come to appreciate me as a re-invented cuddly old grandfather who wishes everyone nothing but long lasting fulfilment and happiness?
Back of the Net
15-08-2008, 20:33
hahaha well as 'cuddly old grandfather' you need to smile once in a while Tommy???
All the best with it.
c,mon the hoops
15-08-2008, 20:36
I don't believe for one minute Tommy you don't know the in's and out's of the lease, I would have thought that's the first thing you would have found out about when you are paying wages.
The problem you have at Northern Star is people don't want you to do well (well some do) but the majority don't, there's the good old Peterborough jealousy for one and you personally made a lot of enemies locally over the last few years although you saved me a fortune in entertainment expenses!!
Anyway my point is that if you want to take the facilities forward you need money and to get money you need either a sugar daddy or you have to generate your own. You have managed admirably up to now to service your wage bills but with the current financial climate in this country I would be very surprised if you can continue throughout the season with your 'sponsors' shovelling up the kind of money you need.
So to my main point, Break the bank to get a bloody decent clubhouse and start generating your own money that way, if you get a good after match buzz going you will find that people will come and watch your games just to have something to do after and make a night of it, there isn't a club in Peterborough anymore that have that sort of atmosphere and you will also recoup the wages from the players as well!
Now to the difficult bit, you need to get people through the gates to start with and that means you being nice to people Thomas, you have to go from 'Corporate Tommy' to 'Commercial Tommy' and raise your own loot because you won't get any help from our wonderful local authorities, now there's a test for you :sm:
Joe it was Letchworth we played at, not a big town by any means but put our facilities to shame big time.
Cheers mate!
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As far as local FA's are concerned they are one of the worst out there.
Now I agree that if for example forms are not filled out correctly the team should be fined ect... but the money generated should be invested back into local football but it does not happen. we have what can only be described as an embarrasment of a Fa head quarters.
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I disagree. As I wrote in response to Foggy's message, as Treasurer of the PFA I know exactly how much money has been ploughed back into local football via the centre. The PFA contribution has helped keep the centre afloat. I am glad that Coops has agreed with me on the topic of everybody pulling in the right direction. I for one would love to see a facility that Peterborough can be proud of. It not about a fantastic local FA headquarters, but about have a facility that we can all be proud of. Lets make it happen guys. There has been too much talk and not enough action! from some atleast.
We need local authority support Mark, end of story, no non league club at our level can afford to do it themselves initially, it's a simple fact.
Tommy, no desire to get back into football whatsoever, if I wanted to I would and could have done this season, I just like offering an opinion sometimes! I actually have a free Saturday to myself today and am loving it, been invited to the Posh game but will probably trundle down the A1 to watch Fletton at Rutland Rangers, good luck to you all with your games
n j titman
17-08-2008, 10:51
I disagree. As I wrote in response to Foggy's message, as Treasurer of the PFA I know exactly how much money has been ploughed back into local football via the centre. The PFA contribution has helped keep the centre afloat. I am glad that Coops has agreed with me on the topic of everybody pulling in the right direction. I for one would love to see a facility that Peterborough can be proud of. It not about a fantastic local FA headquarters, but about have a facility that we can all be proud of. Lets make it happen guys. There has been too much talk and not enough action! from some atleast.
Mark I keep hearing about all the money the PFA have put into Focus. Please will you quantify said amount.
Also, as you quite rightly say, you need people to stop talk and provide action toward Focus. Will that include yourself, cleaning toilets, working in the kitchen, stock taking, preparing accounts, etc?!!!
Nik, you still sound angry from Thursday night! Our players have apologised for that fracas btw. I was the calm one you see!
Mark I keep hearing about all the money the PFA have put into Focus. Please will you quantify said amount.
Also, as you quite rightly say, you need people to stop talk and provide action toward Focus. Will that include yourself, cleaning toilets, working in the kitchen, stock taking, preparing accounts, etc?!!!
Nick I will do my bit as and when my job allows. My point has always been that far too many people complain about things that go wrong, that if they put their mind to it they could do something about. As for quantifying the amount that would be well into four figures if not five.
n j titman
19-08-2008, 06:11
to Mark
Thanks
I simply hope that the PFA as lease holders do not give it all back to the PCC
to RAF
Anger? You are so right!! Frustration re the amount of work D Vernun did, thousands of hours unpaid, (where nowadays the grounsman is a paid position) and the effort others including myself put in, before local politics (as usual) and the total lack of any active regular helpers, made the situation a "ggod bye" jobbie!
Re Thursday night
Who said you did anything wrong?!!
The incidents will be handled through the correct channels.
When your player is sent off for violent conduct, then continues to verbally abuse using foul language, the referee, and again from the touchline; and your subs decide to come onto the pitch to "pitch in" (Excuse the pun!), maybe you can understand why we keep losing new referees
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